mr. pearce: if i could yield myself time or claim time. mr. rahall: i would yield back on my time. mr. pearce: the amounts that are involved are equivalent. there is no difference. so i think that's just clearing language in the bill. it's not like anything -- any value is moving either direction or the owe other. that has been ascertained by the appraisals and there is an equivalent difference in land within the company who is giving up land at the request of the local county, has agreed to pave the road on the airport for the counties that would make up the difference and that value has been ascertained also to be in the amount of about $143,830 to make the two transactions. mr. rahall: reclaiming my time. what's the value the federal government is getting here? mr. pearce: in our view there is no value lost or gained either direction. mr. rahall: except toward the county. mr. pearce: no. there is no loss to the county, no loss, no gain to the county. there are seven acres that are up against the county. they're not able to do anything with the airport on that side, they're simply ask

mr. pearce of new mexico, amendment number 29 by mr. schiff of california, amendment number 20 by mr. sessions of texas, amendment number 21 by mr. latourette of ohio, and amendment number 24 by mr. shuster of pennsylvania. the chair will reduce to five minutes the time of any electronic vote after the first vote in the series. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on amendment 27 printed in house report 112-46 by the gentleman from new mexico, mr. pearce, on which further proceedings were postponed and on which the ayes prevailed by voice vote. the clerk will redesignate the amendment. the chair: -- the clerk: amendment number 27 printed in house report 112-46 offered by mr. pearce of new mexico. the chair: a recorded vote has been requested. those in support of the request for a recorded vote will rise and be counted. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representative

mr. pearce. >> thank you, mr. chairman. are you familiar with the operating memorandum of understanding between the v.o.m. and the border patrol? >> not particularly, sir. >> well, it states very clearly that a mobile command, mobile communications site there and the big hatch chet peak will be moved as soon as possible if the area is designated as wilderness. so it's there now, but if it's wilderness, it can't be there. doesn't that sound like a little bit of an impediment? why wouldn't the people have decided to put it somewhere else to start with if that were a better place? doesn't that sound like a little bit of an impediment? >> in that instance, that's an example, i understand that the repeateder is on big hatchet mountain and if legislation was passed, we would have to work to ensure that it would stay there. it is an opportune location. >> it will be moved if it's designated wilderness. conservation is trumping protection. you declare that wilderness and security are not mutually exclusive. i know it's not exactly

mr. pearce, i welcome him to the panel. mr. taylor, a founding member of the national association of former troll rigid border patrol officers. we invite mr. jean would, of former border patrol agent -- mr. gene wood, who will be introduced by mr. pearce, if you like to take a few minutes to do it justice. >> members of the subcommittee, thanks for allowing me to be here on the dais with you today. i like to introduce some of my -- my friend and constituent, gene wood of new mexico. he served in sectors in san diego, california. i look forward to his testimony in the witnesses here. i welcome him from new mexico. >> i also want to recognize tim chilton, a fifth generation cattleman whose land practices have won awards. his family ranches 50 miles southwest of tucson and it includes four miles of border as well as, is the first and ensure? the first time i've gone right today. i understand it you're the author of the gao report we have been referencing throughout this case. mr. chaffetz. >> is customary to swear and all witnesse

mr. pearce: yes, i would move that we adjourn. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on the motion to adjourn. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have. it the motion is adopted. accordingly the house stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m. >> president obama presents his deficit reduction plan followed by reaction by house republican leaders. later, the house rules committee begins work on the 2012 budget. president obama presented his deficit reduction plan today. in a speech at george washington university. his proposal has $4 trillion in deficit cuts over the next 12 years. among those in attendance, treasury secretary tim geithner and members of the fiscal commission, including paul ryan. this is 45 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you. thank you, everybody. thank you very much. thank you. please have a seat. it is wonderful to be back here at gw. one of the reasons i worked so hard with democrats and republicans to give the government

mr. pearce for 30 minutes. mr. pearce: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today to address the house on issues that all of us may not be paying attention to but all of us should feel are extraordinarily important. we have at this time in our nation's history eased into constitutional concerns for our future. those constitutional concerns arise in many different areas. for instance, you might not be aware of it, but there's a policy to establish different things which congress is supposed to establish, yet right now agencies are taking over those responsibilities, agencies that are taking away the role and rights of this congress. what that means to our people who vote, citizens who vote, that they will not have a voice any longer in the policy of cre the united states. they don't have access to unelected bureaucrats. they're not able to affect policy that comes from agencies , they can -- because they can't elect or unelect those people, and we as the member os they have house of representatives an the senate are surrendering that capability to pass

mr. pearce, for 30 minutes. mr. pearce: thank you, mr. speaker. i appreciate the opportunity to address the body tonight. i was not able to hear the president's speech today but i was able to then get a transcript and read it. i note in the opening of that speech that he says, on page 1, that the debate that we're having here in washington is about the kind of future that we want. it's about the kind of country we believe in and then he describes that's what his speech will be about today. now, as i read the context of the speech i realize that the president and many americans believe in very dramatically different models of country, the kind of future that we believe in is dramatically different. i find in the president's speech that he centers many of his comments around taxing and maybe it's taxing the millionaires and the billion airs and -- billionaires and so i think if we're going to talk about the kind of country that we live in, the kind of future that we want for the country, for our children and our grandchildren, it's imperative that w

mr. pearce, for 30 minutes. mr. pearce: thank you, mr. speaker. the -- it is a pleasure to address the house tonight and talk about the issues that are burning across the country. before i get into the economic discussion and my colleagues across the aisle, my good friends, have brought up many things that are worthy of discussing. before i get into that i'd like to talk a bit about our constitution. i think that if we as a republic are not aware of the importance of the constitution then we tend to diminish it, we tend to walk away from it, tend to not give it the credibility that it deserves and that is highly risky for every one of us, but especially with those people with very little or no status. the constitution is basically the agreement, the contract between our government and the people. the constitution is the only thing that limits the power of government. it is the instrument by which we people have our rights guaranteed to us and any time we begin to say the constitution is not valid then we put at risk our own freedoms. and one of th

mr. pearce? >> thank you.are you familiar with the operating men ran dumb of understanding and the border patrol? >> not particularly, sir. >> well, in it, the -- it states clearly that a mobile command, mobile communication site there in big hatchet peak will be moved as soon as possible if the area is designated as wilderness. it's there now, but if wilderness, it can't be there. isn't that an impediment? >> in that instance, that's an example, and i understand that the big hatchet mountain, and if legislation is passed, we have to work to ensure that it could stay there. >> no, i mean, it calls for it to be moved if it's designated wilderness. that says the legislation is trumping protection. you declare that wilderness sen security are not mutually exclusive, and i know it's not exactly wilderness area, but the oregon pipe national monument that i visited in 2006 at the park's subcommittee and they declared it's inhospitable for american travelers. is it still that way? it's wide open, completely open to a

mr. pearce, for five minutes. mr. pearce: thank you, mr. speaker. this past week i had the opportunity to read a book called "lone survivor" a tale about four navy seals who were in circuit to afghanistan territory. lieutenant mike murphy, petty officer matthew axleman, petty officer dietz, marcus latrale, writes the book, said they built a building for lieutenant murphy it wouldn't be high enough. these four physical specimen, men of valor, men of courage, were on top of an afghanistan mountain. shortly after arrival daylight hit. three goat herders came upon them. they easily subdued them. the choice was to kill them. they represented a clear and present danger or to let them go. one voted abstained. there was a tie vote between the other two. finally marcus latrale voted let them go. he knew what the consequences would be. 20 minutes later the taliban that they were after, over 100 came rushing over the top of the mountain firing their ak-47's and r.p.g.'s. the four young seals moved to the back of the press pus, they were forced back of the fire

mr. pearce. the chair: the gentleman is recognized for two mississippi. mr. pearce: thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate chairman ryan bringing this issue to the floor. basically, the entire discussion that we're having in washington right now centers around two figures. we spend $3.5 trillion, and we bring in $2.2 trillion in revenues to the government from taxes. now, it's the bringing together of those numbers that's the difference of opinion here in washington. i listened to the president's speech yesterday, i read the tech of his speech, did not get a chance to listen, and he says that we can close that gap by taxing the millionaires and billionaires. it sounds so good. it comes off so easy. but i will tell you it's a process that many nations have followed before. tax the millionaires. i don't know what bill sweatt in arteesha is worth purk he says to create a new job costs him $400,000, to create a new job. our friends on the other side said we need to be taxes that money away from him. nancy pelosi said we need to tax the profits of the corporation and spend them. what you

mr. pearce. if you would like to take a few minutes to do it, do it justice. >> chairman bishop, members of the subcommittee, thanks for allowing me to be here with you today. i would like to take this opportunity to introduce my friend and constituent, gene wood. he spent 40 years and served as the sector chief in mcallen texas and santiago california. i look forward to his testimony and to the testimony of the other witnesses but thanks again and welcome from mexico. >> thank you peery i also want to well recognize jim chelton whose land stewardship practices have won him awards. his family ranches 55 miles southwest of tucson and includes 4 miles of border as well as ms. ms. anu of resources and environment for the general accounting office as i understand you are the author of the gao report we have been referencing throughout this case. mr. chaffetz? >> the custom of the oversight reform committee to swear in all witnesses would you please raise your right hand. >> do you swear to tell the t

. >> representative pearce >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> i'd have to get back to run a specific number of miles of roads. >> you wouldn't happen to know that was you, mr. vitiello? ewald out to patrols out there? >> it is for tucson that tears. >> anyone in the audience know that? >> will have to get back to you, sir. >> mr. vitiello, you just stated in response to a question that the framework exists to solve the problem with respect to getting into areas with limited access by federal law, the wilderness. i'm curious, did i hear you correctly? >> that's correct. >> did i hear you correctly pending cases at danger and death do you would have a heightened sense of emergency? >> yes. >> can you explain why 60% of oregon pipe are still advised not to go in there, american citizens are advised not to go in there? is made in area to tell people don't win there, they might not come out alive. wouldn't that be danger or death? wouldn't have moved that sort of the top of the list at your heightened sense? >> zone by zone, area by area

mr. pearce. >> thank you, mr. chairman.with the operating memorandum of understanding between the v.o.m. and the border patrol? >> not particularly, sir. >> well, it states very clearly that a mobile command, mobile communications site there and the big hatch chet peak will be moved as soon as possible if the area is designated as wilderness. so it's there now, but if it's wilderness, it can't be there. doesn't that sound like a little bit of an impediment? why wouldn't the people have decided to put it somewhere else to start with if that were a better place? doesn't that sound like a little bit of an impediment? >> in that instance, that's an example, i understand that the repeateder is on big hatchet mountain and if legislation was passed, we would have to work to ensure that it would stay there. it is an opportune location. >> it will be moved if it's designated wilderness. conservation is trumping protection. you declare that wilderness and security are not mutually exclusive. i know it's not exactly wilderness area. b

mr. pearce talked about with respect to levies and dams. f you check that out, it'll be clear whose got the jurisdiction. >> mr. reyes, i want to give the benediction to your presentation today by thank thank thanking you for being here. i agree with point after point. the cities are improving, the border control is doing a good job, and one study said they put a strategy on high priority on urban and pop populated areas. it does work when they are allowed to do their jobs. they had diverted traffic to remote lands where you are talking. i agree the agent should be able to respond as best they can. i agree also there's some areas that are some fences that is not legitimate option for it, but indeed, access by the border patrol is, and sometimes they do use horses. it was said that it's inadvisable for officers' safety to await the arrival of a horse to apprehend somebody. that is difficult, and they are fed wheat pellets because you can't have perfect kinds of horses. local consultation should be the best spaces of making those decisions. i