mr. pecker's attention, mr. pecker contacted trump world, he contacted trump organization lawyer michael cohen and said okay, i took care of the mcdougal, one this when you guys had to pay. i'm still out of the park for the last one you paid off, you have made me hold on that, you can pay off this one. >> and, michael cohen then the. he paid stormy daniels and $30, 000, to keep her story quiet before the election. and then, in mr. cohen's case, the trump organization, trump's family business, we embrace mr. cohen for that expense from company funds. and what i've just described is a crime. those payoffs to those women, for the benefit of the trump political campaign. they were campaign expenditures, and therefore i had to be declared as such, and they were subject campaign expenditure, or campaign legal limits. but that's not how they were handled. and you know, the national enquirer, for this part, they pretended there are hundred 50,000 dollar expenditure was for hiring this woman, for fitness columns or someth

mr. pecker -- yes, there's that guy again -- mr. pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer was seen todae with his lawyer at the building where the grand jury is nowat starting to hear witness testimony. "the times" also reports prosecutors are seeking grand jury testimony from at least two trump organization employees who may have been involved in effectively laundering the fundn for this illegal campaign expenditure.n a third trump organization employee who may be brought in to testify he'll be particularly easy for prosecutors to find because he isto allen weisselbe, the cfo of the trump organization, who's currently serving a jailor sentence at rikers island for tax fraud.r he was reportedly involved in this, too. so this is a crime that was committed in 2016.mm the last time it was court was in 2018. the last time someone went to jail for this crime t was in 20. federal prosecutors boggled it, and they simultaneously blocked state prosecutors from pursuing ite themselves for a long time. there was also a weird interl

mr. pecker? >> the national enquirer is an important point of this. now they have to go and see what they collect in terms of the documents and knowledge. michael earlier and i was interested to hear and i've read it in his book about the payments and the legal payments that went to him the important thing is he got those payments. they didn't show up on the tax returns. trump didn't then put them to the irs as a bright line, payments to michael for legal fees. somewhere somebody knows but how they were accounted for is really i think this is going to come down to. mushy line item that's big, where they can hide it, put in legal fees for another law firm. if i were inside this i would be trying to figure out how they were accounted for and that's where the narrative continues. we have the national enquirer and their involvement and you go into the payment and then to the accounting department, it's a follow the money trail to there. the witnesses you mentioned earlier, he spent hours, days on the stand during weisselberg's trial, he's incredibly ackno

mr. pecker and a few other people are witnesses because they're part of the arc of the story that precedes the actual payment of $130,000 to stormy daniels. then the subsequent reimbursement of that money and some additional funds to michael cohen. pecker was the publisher of "the national inquirer" who had been engaged in what has come to be known, i guess, as catch and kill. meaning, purchase or obtain stories and then -- negative stories about someone -- in this instance, obviously, donald trump -- and then actually not publish them. hence the kill part. so that arc in advance of the payment includes pecker, the editor of "the national inquirer," hope hicks, some others who -- and the chronology is laid out in the search warrant affidavits, that a judge approved to actually search michael cohen's office back in, i guess that was april of 2018. but that chronology of calls and texts working toward figuring out who was going to pay and how is sort of the -- that story arc that i referred to. >> john, the story michael cohen pled to was he funneled the $130,000 from donald trump, through m