mr. perkins. mr. perkins: thank you, senator. i think, to put it in the proper context, there was no policy change in 2010 that moves things from one side to the other. there were some process changes that took place but to put that in context, i would take it further back to right around 2001, in the mcveigh ok bomb records review. which was one of the first early on reviews conducted by the previous inspector general. a significant document request, significant interview request, a lengthy review process. that was really charting new ground for the bureau. and the point i want to make is starting with that throughout the rest of the decade leading up to a pivotal point in 2009 at -- 2009 and it's an evolutionary 2010, process, even beyond that to today. today, we have pivoted to a point where, i think the inspector general will agree, outside the current issues with the olc opinion, that the process in place today is the best it's ever been and continues to improve. that aside, 2009, 2010 was part of an overall evolutionary pro

mr. kevin perkins. mr. perkins: good morning. i am pleased to appear before you to discuss the fbi's efforts in ensuring that the inspector general has access to records necessary, to complete its reviews, audits, and investigations consistent with existing law. the fbi takes very seriously its obligation to enable the ig to conduct effective oversight of all of its activities. we have been transparent with the department, inspector general, and congress, concerning the challenges presented by seemingly conflicted statutory commands. notwithstanding these challenges, the fbi has provided nearly 400,000 pages of documents and 136,000 e-mails to the ig in the past year alone. these documents were reduced in response to 118 document requests submitted by the oig to the fbi. which also contains an additional 343 sub hearts -- parts. during the same time they initiated 20 new audits and over 30 investigations into the fbi. to fill the oig's request and other oversight entities, the fbi dedicated almost a dozen individuals full-time to

mr. perkins made. do you believe that this is the best it has ever been? and we will start with you and go over to mr. borowitz. >> the process that there is that the department of commerce they are still evaluating the opinion. and i know that a letter from the irs, they are also looking at the opinion to block information to their inspector general. i'm not sure that there is a process at the department of commerce, other than to believe what the opinion is that it's a general permission and this is the thick transpacific acts that are out there that do not state that they have access combat. and i know that mr. perkins was referring specifically to the process within the doj. how do you feel about that? >> i would say that the process changes that have occurred recently, moving the lawyers out of the process is a good thing. fewer lawyers is better. that has improved the process. having said that we didn't have this discussion about whether the process was good or bad, we just got the records. and that is the bottom line. we shouldn't have to have a disc

mr. perkins. i'd like to ask you to speak about are there any -- are you aware of any allegations in the history releasing any sensitive information? >> no, sir, i'm not aware of any breach of that during the ig tenure. >> okay. i have two -- too i'm not aware. from the department policy the ig should get everything it needs to complete review. >> isn't it true that you were subject to the same restrictions of public release of sensitive information as everyone else in the department? >> that's correct mr. chairman. that's why we comply as rig -- rigorous as we do with them. >> what's the issue they never violated restrictions, what would be wrong with providing ig full access to everything under the same conditions prior to 2010? start with you mr. perkins. >> thank you senator, i think to put it in the proper context there was no policy change in 2010 that prove from one side to the other. there was policy changes but to put that in context, i would take it further back to right around 2001 in t

mr. kevin perkins will speak after him, associate deputyn. irector terrill bureau of curlarte investigation. deputy we also have an associate deputy attorney general justice department and lastly mr. smith the acting inspector general department of commerce. >> thank you, mr. chairman, members of the committee.the prm of o >> thank you forur the access information and are strong bipartisan support. ..r the fbi questioned our legal authority to access all documents in its possession and we obtained grand jury wire tap information without legal objection and without the need tr for a legal opinion. it would be hard to imagine how we can conduct oversight if we were prohibited from reviewing information like grand jury and wire tap information. the oig always handles information with great care and we fully and completely care with all statutes limiting the use and disclosure of such information. indeed, we have been provided with access to some of the u.s. governments most sensitive information to conduct oversight and there has not been a singl

. >> richard perkins confronted mr. thompson after the fact and got mr.hompson to confess that he was the one that killed mr. liuzza. >> perkins said thompson also had an accomplice named kevin freeman. police arrested both freeman and thompson. >> the story that kevin freeman told police was that he and john thompson had been driving home together, and the car had run out of gas. ray liuzza drove past them, parked and began to walk across the street to his apartment. at that point, john thompson said i'm going to hit that guy and pulled a gun out of his pocket. >> and then mr. freeman got cold feet, if you will and decided he didn't want to be part of it. as he was running away, freeman said he heard the shots. >> the police charged freeman and thompson with murder. the local prosecutor wanted the death penalty for thompson but knew it would be an uphill battle because thompson had never been convicted of a violent crime. that was about to change. >> on december 28, 1984, 19 year old jay la guard, his sister mimi who was 16 and their younger brother who

. >> perkins confronted thompson after the fact and got mr. thompson to admit he was the one who killed mr. liuzza. >> also had an accomplice named kevin freeman. police arrested both freeman and thompson. >> the story that kevin freeman told police is he and thompson were driving home together. the car ran out of gas. liuzza drove past and parked across the street from his apartment. and then thompson said i'm going to hit that guy and pulled a gun out of his pocket and then mr. freeman got cold feet, if you will and decided he didn't want to be part of it. as he was running away, freeman said he heard the shots. >> the police charged freeman and thompson with murder. the local prosecutor wanted the death penalty for thompson but knew it would be an uphill battle because thompson was never convicted of a violent crime. that was about to change. >> on december 28th, 1984, 19-year-old jay lagarde, his sister mimi, 16, and younger brother, 12, went to super dome for a college basketball tournament. after the game, as they were getting in the car

mr. kevin perkins, they fbi assistant deputy director easy to account for these matters. nd also here is mr. michael horowitz, inspector general of the justice department. i would like to find out from these two witnesses what the practice of the fbi was prior to 2010 and whether that practice complied with the procedures that the olc opinion that argues is mandatory. because we've got to realize the fbi can't be above the law. it has an obligation to comply not only with the inspector general act but also with respect, with the restriction congress places on appropriations. that means fbi employees cannot legally be spend their time with holding and reviewing documents before providing them to the ig. however, this is exactly what the fbi has been doing. and now the olc opinion actually endorses that practice. olc needed 60 pages of tortured logic to support its claim that need the ig act nor section 218 means what it actually says. not surprisingly last thursday the appropriations committee offers of section 218 wrote a joint letter to the deputy attorney general that sa

mr. perkins. i would like to ask you to speak about are you aware of any allegations in the history of the release and any sensitive information? >> i'm not aware of any breach during the ten year. >> i am not aware of any instance in a ten year but i can say from a policy perspective the department believes they should get everything they need to complete the review. >> isn't it true that you were subject to the same restrictions on the release of sensitive information as everybody else in the department? >> that is true and that's why we comply with them. >> i have to ask what is the issue of the inspector general to protect the sensitive information as well what would be under the same condition prior to 2010 >> i think to put it in the proper context there was a policy change in 2010 that drew things from one side to the other. there were process changes at the period in time, but put that in the it in the context i would even take it further back to right around 2001 in the records review whi

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