simpson: mr. perot? mr. perot: we have the most expensive health-care system in the world. 12% of our gross national product goes to health care. our industrial competitors who are beating us in competition spend less and have better health care. japan spends a little over 6% of its gross national product, germany spends 8%. it's fascinating. you bought a front-row box seat and you're not happy with your health care, and you're saying we've got bad health care but very expensive health care. folks, here's why. go home and look in the mirror. you own this country but you have no voice in it the way it's organized now. and if you want to have a high-risk experience comparable to bungee jumping, go in to congress some time when they're working on this kind of legislation, when the lobbyists are running up and down the halls. wear your safety-toe shoes when you go. and as a private citizen, believe me, you are looked on as a major nuisance. the facts are, you now have a government that comes at you and you're sup

lehrer: mr. perot -- [applause] lehrer: mr. perot, one minute. ross perot: anytime you think you want to legalize drugs, go to a neonatal unit -- if you can get in. they're between 100% and 200% capacity up and down the east coast. and the reason is crack babies being born, babies in the hospital 42 days. typical cost to you and me is $125,000. again and again and again, the mother disappears in three days. and the child becomes a ward of the state because he's permanently and genetically damaged. just look at those little children, and if anybody can even think about legalizing drugs, they've lost me. now, let's look at priorities. you know, we went on the libyan raid. you remember that one? because we were worried to death that gaddafi might be building up chemical weapons. we've got chemical warfare being conducted against our children on the streets in this country all day, every day, and we don't have the will to stamp it out. now, again, if i get up there, if you send me, we're going to have some blunt talks about this, and we're really goin

mashek: mr. perot, racial division continues to tear apart our great cities, the last episode being this spring in los angeles. why is this still happening in america, and what would you do to end it? perot: this is a relevant question here tonight. the first thing i'd do is, during political campaigns, i would urge everybody to stop trying to split this country into fragments and appeal to the differences between us and then wonder why the melting pot is all broken to pieces after november 3. we are all in this together. we ought to love one another because united teams win and divided teams lose. and if we can't love one another, we ought to get along with one another. and if you can't get there, just recognize we're all stuck with one another because nobody's going anywhere, right? now, that ought to get everybody back up to let's get along together and make it work. our diversity is a strength. we've turned it into a weakness. now again, the white house is a bully pulpit. i think whoever is in the

mr. perot, what do you believe tonight is the single most important separating issue of this is? -- campaign? >> the principle issue that separates me is that people came together on their own and put me on the ballot. i was not put on the ballot by either to have two parties. by any foreign lobbyist money. by any special interest money. this is a movement that came from the people. this is the way the framers of the constitution intended our government to be. over time we have developed a government that comes at the people, that comes from the top own. where the people are more or less treated as objects to be programmed during the campaign with commercials and media events and fear messages and personal attacks and things of that nature. the thing that separates my candidacy and makes it unique is that this came from millions of people in 50 states all over this country who wanted a andidate that worked and belonged to nobody but them. i go into this race as their servant, and i belong to th

mr. perot service and anyone who is ever served including your chairman of the joint chiefs who is serving me. but when joe mccarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism, he was wrong. he was wrong. a senator from connecticut stood up to him named prescott bush. your father was righteous to stand up to him. you were wrong to attack my patriotism. i was opposed to the war, but i love my country. we need a president who brings this country together, not divided. we have had enough division. i want to lead a unified country. announcer: watch the entire debate sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on the weekly series road to the white house rewind. "american history tv," only on c-span3. announcer: next on "american history tv," history professor theresa kaminski talks about her book "angels of the underground, the american women who resisted the japanese in the philippines in world war ii." she talks about four american women involved in espionage rings after the japanese invasion and oc

mr. perot: there will be a giant sucking sound going south. scott: that have come to define the debates. pres. reagan: i am not going to exploit, for pitical purposes, my opponent's youth an scott: while reagan's zinger ended what lichtman calls the "negative narrative" about his age, he says al gore's performance in 2000 only enhanced his. prof. lichtman: "you're too overwrought, you're too overblown, you exaggerate things," and with all his incredibly deep sighing in a debate. [heavy sighing] intimidate george w. bush. >> but can you get things done? prof. lichtman: all he did was ade the arnegarative scott: lichtman says with polls showing clinton and trump neck and neck, tomorrow's debates are more high stakes than usual. prof. lichtman: both candidates have such high negatives and so much to prove. scott: how important is it that they just get out clean? prof. lichtman: it shouldn't be important at all that they just avoid a gaffe, i think one of the big problems with media coverage is that they cover it like nascar, t everyoke but that's

. >> yes, i'd like to direct my question to mr. perotou know, there's a tv wheeled in on a stand. and we're all like coiled springs. carville is pacing, he can't sit still. his mother used to call him a toaster, pops up every three minutes. >> then bush is asked a question out of left field for him, anyway. >> how has the national debt personally affected each of your lives. and if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems of the common people if you have no experience in what's ailing them? >> well, i think the national debt affects everybody. obviously it has a lot to do with interest rates. >> she's saying you personally. >> how has it affected you? >> the question, which was somewhat convoluted, and i really do think it confused president bush. >> i'm sure it has. i love my grandchildren. >> how? >> i want to think that they're going to be able to afford an education. i think that that's an important part of being a parent. if the question -- maybe i'm getting it wrong. are you suggesting that if somebody

i honor your service for world war ii and i honor mr. perot service and those who served, including the admiral that was chairman of the joint chiefs that is supporting me. but when joe mccarthy went around the country attacking people's patriotism, he was wrong. he was wrong. and a senator from connecticut stood up to him named prescott bush and your father was right to stand up to him. you were wrong to attack my patriotism. i was opposed to the war. but i love my country. and we need a president that will bring the country together. we have had enough division. i want a unified country. [applause] >> watched the entire debate sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on road to the white house remind. american history tv, only on c-span 3. >> each week american history tv's american artifacts visits museums and historic places. next week on american history america," faces from the west from in 1956. on september 20, lady bird johnson and stewart udall set off on a four-day conservation tour of california,, arizona, and new mexico. the u.s. naval photog

mr. johnson said he will be on the ballot in states, marking the first time in two decades that a third has appeared on appeared on a presidential ballot. perot were on every ballot. out a full-page ad in the new york times that the presidential debates to allow him access to the stage. vote andneed 15 of the five polls to qualify. he is more than five points shy of meet ing that a recent according to calculation by politco. felicity ohio, a republican, hi, scott. good morning. air.re on the we're in open phones. aller: oh, yeah, well, my our ion is, how can government, with millions and billions of dollars in wore torn to rebuild them when cities and own states in poverty, people not that this could be turned around. i did not give a vote to say it okay to give my tack money to these foreign companies. i think the government has had over people and not given them the right to have doing e of what they're with the money that our country akes and builds to make our country better. host: so scott, listen up, because i want to tell you about foreign relations committee on capitol hill today. they're holding a hearing about afghanistan po

mr. daniels. host: why don't you tell them to me and we will see if we can get him back. caller: first, i'm 1951 boiler maker era grad. world war ii veteran. voter for perotso you can see i've really popped around a little. what i would like to know is is number one what concessions were made by the commission to each of the candidates? number two, how did candy crowelly ever get through the commission to become one of the moderators? number three, would he comment on the difference in why the people dislikehillry and donald trump. i think it's because hillary is underhanded and a liar, and trump is just an outsider and gets a lot of very bad publicity. at any rate, that's about what i have to say. host: thank you for calling. up next, norma from miami. good morning. aller: good morning. i have a concern and sort of like a beef. because there are specific goals let's say by the two parties. one is the liberals, they want to enslave -- and i'm going to use that word very strongly -- the people by making them dependent on government. and people don't see that. i don't understand how that's not seen so clearly. the other side, the republican side, they want