mr. peter cohen who we've done a lot of work with together in san francisco and has been serving for -- since 2011, so for about four years, so my conflict is that you've been serve ining this capacity for four years and have a tremendous body of knowledge and information but i'm afraid that the connection of your knowledge and body of information is not connecting to the community that needs to experience and can most greatly benefit from that knowledge, so i don't know what to do, so -- >> supervisor tang? >> through the chair, i would just say that again, mr. loftman did reach out to our office, as he shared with us, he does have 25 years of experience and the cdbg funding, and all of that, that was really attractive to to me, he understanding that structure, his day job working for the oakland housing authority, he is out of the country, he's someone i'm interested in having sit on this committee but i think we're all in agreement with ms. hall. >> let me ask a question. >> supervisor cohen? >> is it possible to move ms. hall forward and reserve -- i don't know if this is seat number 2 th