mr. peter o'rourke at the department of energy to jonathan plow, who works for bank of america, drew torbin who works for you all, right? okay? it says, please feel free to use the concepts that we articulate in your own words if you don't already have that in your message, and that refers to, if we can -- can we put the next slide up? but refers to project amp, department of energy develop document, that they're going to send to you with all kinds of information that you guys can use in your presentation. i mean, let's think about the way -- i think that the american citizen would see this. this is like telling two of the students, not the whole class, two of the students, hey, here's what's going to be on the test. we're going to give it to you. in fact they say to you, don't send it beyond the two of you. don't tell anyone else the answers to the exam. you say, that's fine, that's the normal course of business, back-and-forth? >> well -- >> and you didn't have any knowledge of it as the ceo of the company? >> mr. chairman, i think as it relates to what was sent, which was the presentatio

mr. peter o'rourke at department of energy to jonathan plouffe who works for bank of america, drew to have bin who -- torbin who works for you all. this is very important. feel free to use the concepts that we articulate, if you don't already have this in your message. and that refers to -- can we put the next slide up? refers to project amp that they're going to send to you that you guys can use in your presentation. so this is, i mean, let's think about the way i think an american citizen would see this. this is like the teacher telling two of the students, hey, here's what's going on on the test -- what's going to be on the test, in fact, they say that, don't tell anyone else we're giving you the answers to the exam, and you say that's fine, that's the normal course of business back and forth? >> um, well -- >> and you didn't have any knowledge of it as ceo of the company? >> i think, mr. chairman, i think as it relates to what was sent -- >> mr. crane, did you get that kind of treatment? did you get internal documents from the department of energy, if you say things this way, you're mo