mr. petersen, who at the time as you said earlier was running -- this is before the special prosecutor wasointed, henry petersen was in charge of effectively running the watergate investigation, supervising it. and so there is all these contacts. there is all these interactions. there is all these discussions with the president as you outlined the president makes these comments about john dean and -- about ehrlichman and haldeman, i'm sorry, about how these are fine upstanding guys when petersen and then attorney general go in to see him and say look, we've got a problem. we're really concerned about these guys and we think you should fire them. and the president had a reaction that was kind of surprising to me. but as i dug into it more, it was the volume of the -- it was the number of interactions, the nature of the scope that really surprised me. i was just surprised by it and intrigued. and i guess the other thing, as you said earlier, this was something that i was unaware of before myself. and having worked in the justice department for many years. i thought it was something that migh