mr. peterson: next week? dr. swayne: the data will be available. the other issue, not just an experimental setting does it protect the birds in the laboratory. we have to take the vaccines and say, how can you use them in the field? there are different ages and types of words. the other part, we call this effectiveness. how can you use vaccines in combination in the field? the experience we have in countries like vietnam indonesia, china, to have an effective program in the field, you have to have a minimum of two vaccinations separated by three weeks. that makes it a little more different ledges tickly. if you have birds on the ground a longer than six months, you have to give a booster. breeders and layers may have to have a booster. these are questions we are working with university partners negotiating with them, them helping us do some of these studies in an experimental protocol that we can control to see how effective we can use vaccines. one last digression. if you look globally, the countries that have eradicated it most quickly, they have

mr. peterson and king who have been leading on making sure we get this right an preparing for the future. question on beginning farming rancher. mr. fortenberry myself and authored that on this side and much of the ideas came from things that you had done, mr. secretary. told us to build for the capacity for the future. the oig came out with things on that and most troubling to me is i have never questioned your commitment to this program. you have made it very clear but the oig said officials didn't understand it was a priority and troubles me in terms of implementation and tracking and how many people getting involved. i believe in this program. i know you you believe in it. where are we moving forward to make sure they get it and you have made it a priority? >> as a result of that result and the concern of beginning farmers and ramplers did deputy secretary is tasked with putting together a major effort to do better outreach, a a better

mr. peterson: there was trouble keeping up with so many potential positives.e they got the thing into the lab, they still had a backup. dr. hartmann: our laboratory hired new technicians. they were working nights and weekends. laboratory technicians are not used to doing that. we are going to have a meeting with the airasia minnesota to talk about that for the fall. -- with the university of minnesota to talk about that for the fall. mr. peterson: we appreciate you saying you are going to be commercializing this and stockpiling it. did i understand you to say you will do it even if it is not 100%? i thought that was that you were wanting to have the vaccines be 100%. dr. hartmann: we want the best vaccine possible that matches with this particular virus. it doesn't mean vaccines that may be don't match up cannot be effective. hoping

mr. peterson: is that the discussion going on with other countries? mr. clifford: that is the discussion. i am visiting five countries. talking to them about that. also visiting countries like china, just to get our markets reopened. we are also going to be going to other countries in europe. as well as the americas. mr. peterson: thank you. i want to thank you all. as i said, things have not been perfect. but do you have had concerns. we appreciate it. i also think the secretary and your people. i talked to a number of your folks at the emergency center from maine oklahoma all over the place. they were away from their families and working seven days a week. it is a tremendous effort. we appreciate it. look forward to working with all of you to get through this fall. hopefully we will not have a similar situation. if it does a rear up, hopefully we will have a similar response ready to go. i yield back. >> i suppose i have the right to ask one more question if my staff will allow me. otherwise, i might be fired. sitting here thinking about the questions a

mr. peterson? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i have a series of questions that are kind of from my producers back in minnesota. one of the big concerns growers have is the depopulation. you have heard that from them i am sure. talking about other kinds of methods they could use for the next time around that would speed up the depopulation process and i guess maybe for dr. hartmann we both talked about our goal of depopulation in 24 hours. i can see that in a turkey operation is much simpler. but on the layer operations which some of the big layer operations have two or three million birds, it took them a couple three weeks to depopulate and during that time the virus is blooming at the of the business and causing other problems. the question is how can we get to a 24 hour depopulation or can we even accomplish that? >> they are using co2 gas in the barn. i sent an employee up to a demonstration they had. we are hoping that will be a method we could use in our layer barn. one of our issues i have been told make it not available i

mr. peterson. >> thank you i have series of questions that are kind of from my producers back in minnesota. things that have come up. one of the -- dr. clifford one of the big concerns that growers have is the depopulation. i think you know that. you heard it from them. so what talking about other kinds of methods that can be used to the next time around that would speed up this depopulation process. i guess too you both have talked about a goal of depopulation at 24 hours. i can see that in the turkey operation as much simpler. on the layer operations which some of the big layer operations with two or three million birds took a few weeks to depopulate. during that time the virus is out of the buildings and potentially causing other problems. the question is how can we -- how are we going to get to a 24 hour depopulation or can we even accomplish that? >> we are exploring a way that we have depopulated in canada and they are using co 2 gas in the whole barn. i set one of my employees up to a demons

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mr. peterson hit on this a little bit. i'm curious. this was really labor intensive. takes a lot of people to do this. and my two-part question is making sure you have the resources moving forward on this and some of the suggestions coming out of the industry is that you have a kind of a first responder team that's ready to drop and spin people up quicker 0 when this comes again and i think unfortunately that will be the case are we ready for it? just those two parts. >> avis employment is down by 8,000 folks and had to hire 3,200 people to supplement the work. 21 states impacted. what we have learned is we need a command and communication structure organized and in place as quickly as possible. a structure that reflects the need for regional communication, a structure that involves state communication and a structure that involves county by county communication. so we are as part of our planning process for the fall we are looking at ways in which we can essentially identify assets and increase the number of incident command teams that would be available to go once t

mr. peterson: i yield my remaining time to you. the chair: the gentleman from minnesota yields eight minutes to pennsylvania. the gentleman from minnesota has yielded all his allotted time. mr. thompson: i thank the gentleman for his leadership -- for his generosity and his leadership on this question and others as well. i recognize the gentleman from alabama for two minutes. the chair: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. byrnes: thank you mr. chairman. thank you for your work on this legislation. the federal forezest service act is necessary if the forest service will have what it needs to manage our forest lands. i come from a state where forestry is critical to our economy and ecosystem. forestry is a $13 billion industry in alabama. thankfully, my state does not have a serious issue with wildfires, due to our active forest management. that said, it does not mean that my area isn't impacted by the wildfire crisis. the forest service and bureau of land management are forced to spend so much money fighting wildfires th

mr. peterson, let's go. >> that's right.e endian chief who bested george custer and his men at little big horn. fenn grew up in texas explored the american west. learned a lot about life's value as a fighter pilot in vietnam where he was shot down twice. eventually moved to santa fe and made his millions as a successful art and antique dealer. the idea of a treasure hunt started after he survived a bout with cancer. >> i said i've had so much fun collecting all of these things. why not let somebody else have the same opportunity that i've had. >> he drove out across the rockies and left the chest. >> when i walked back to my car i talked to myself out loud nobody was around i said, did you really do that? i started laughing. with my treasures bold -- >> fenn then wrote a poem with nine clues. placing the fresh sure where in the rockies in one of four states. montana, wyoming, colorado or new mexico. >> there is no place the end as they were drawing nigh, no paddle up the creek just heavy loads and water high. >> do you want

mr. peterson. as always, our ranking member has impeccable timing. mr. costa. rep. costa: thank you, tithing is all about what we do, and the timing for this hearing is today, because the avian flu that has taken various regions of this country is serious, and it is traumatic and it has been devastating when we look at the amount of flocks of poultry that has been impacted. not only has my colleague, the ranking member, stated in his opening, but also in california, we have had a number of poultry farmers and processors that have been impacted, some in my home district. that was where the first reported cases of avian influenza took place. unlike the midwest we have been able to contain it, and we have been able to control it. my heart goes out to those in other parts of the country where it has continued to progress, to keep producers in my state actions that were taken by the united states department of agriculture and the department of food and they were very positive. we were lucky, bottom line, in the outbreak. it didn't spread due to a combination of factors a

mr. peterson. the chair: the gentleman from minnesota is recognized for two minutes. mr. peterson: i thank the gentleman for yielding. mr. chairman, i rise to support h.r. 15 the 9 -- 1599. this bill establishes a voluntary nationwide usda administered certification program for labeling genetically engineered food products and we believe that this is a reasonable, workable solution that balances consumer demand to know more about their food with what we know about the safety of the foods that we produce. i didn't sign on to this bill initially because i thought we needed to make some changes, which were eventually made, and made the bill supportable from my perspective. the bill ensures -- this is very important point. the bill ensures that every new genetically engineered plant destined to enter the market has to go through an f.d.a. safety review. this change means that foods from genetically engineered plant will only be able to enter the marketplace after this happens and that's a change from the current situation. h.r. 1599 prevents the unworkable scenario of a state

peterson. he said well mr. president, i already have. that was the kind of interaction he had with roosevelt.he wasn't a close adviser but it was enough so that he would write speeches for him but pritchard works under the political scene. mimosa remember the november election of 1948 for truman versus dewey. the famous image of truman holding up a newspaper. in kentucky there was a senate race between democrat virgil chapman and republican john sherman cooper. and in paris and in bourbon county when the sheriff went to open up the false to get the ballot box is ready that morning he said there's something at the bottom of the box is. and to take it then that an extract there were some dollars that it already been marked almost all in for the democratic candidate chapman. and so someone had already stuffed some balance into these particular boxes. altogether 254. and so there was an investigation and it's interesting that early on in the fbi they had no interest in pursuing a case of 254 marked ballots in a kentucky county. it was only after prichard's name appeared in some of the memoranda g

mr. kessler: uh-huh. in a talk that you gave recently, i believe it was at the peterson institute, was that where it was? mr. furman: yes. mr. kessler: you talked about productivity and you also talked about total factor productivity. and what that reminded me of the total factor productivity, was in some ways, like the dark matter in the universe, where it's both the cause of and the solution to all of the universe's mysteries. but can you explain a little bit what you're seeing in productivity and what total factor productivity is? mr. furman: so productivity, and especially total factor productivity, are among the most important things in the economy. labor productivity is how much output you get for one hour of labor input. and the reasons why you can get more output for a given amount of input is your workers can be better educated. your workers can have more capital machinery at their disposal. or, because you combine labor and capital better, because you have better technology, better ways of managing your inventory, what have you. that last thing is called total factor productivity. and it's the m

advance to get back jax who would get all -- jacques peterson who would get all the way to the final before this guy frazier and walkoff win for mrn here pro as he wins the home run derby 15- 14 after getting to hit his brother's pitches. >> the format fit it well because i like hitting bad balls and i hit them out. so bottom line is he just throws it and i just swing it. that's what our motto was today, so it was pretty cool. >> pretty cool is seeing bryce harper of the nationals. he will bat third and play right field tomorrow night in the all-star game, the first to be selected an all-star starter twice by the fans the max scherzer was named to the team, but he'll be there representing. he will not pitch. those two are a huge part of the nats' success the first half of the season, first place in the nl east with a two game lead on the new york mets. >> they know where they're at. they know the opportunity that's presented to us going forward. you know, we're going to continue to get guys healthy and back and just continue to grind. it's not going to be easy to get to where we want to get to. >> that is the world series obvious

mr. chairman. we have ranking member collin peterson if you have any comments you'd like to make. >> thank you chairmanconaway for holding this hearing today. my district was ground zero of the outbreak and as everybody knows avian influenza has an impact not only my district but other places of the country. usda a nice state of minnesota and i want to especially single out dr. clifford and dr. hartman for the work they've done and dr. hartman from our state of minnesota and the secretary. as i've gone through us i've gone through talking about problems arisen and they really responded -- i don't think you could've done a better job than responding to things that developed. it hasn't been perfect and you're in the middle of the crisis. we develop a better plan if we have this outbreak in the future. there's three areas i would like to address that have been brought forward. one of them is simplifying the indemnification process that people concerned about the amount of paperwork. one grower had 77 pages of paperwork. we have to do a better job of figuring out how to deal with that. the other thing that