mr. pettit. mr. mcnamee named three players, mr. nablock, mr. clemons and mr. pettit. none of these three met with mr. mitchell. but now two of them have told congress that this is true. two things affect mr. clemons credibility. first, he said that he only face perjury. which meant that the only faced legal jeopardy if he complied. second, he had an economic interests against implicating the individual who supported his livelihood and was his most prominent clients. on the other hand, the committee learned that mr. mcnamee has twice failed to tell the government investigators the full truth. there was an incident in florida in 2001 that is not related to the matter before us, but relates to mr. mcnamee's credibility. we are not going to make that incident part of today's hearing, but mr. davis and i have prepared a joint statement that would are -- will be part of today's record. we are sitting on the record that mr. mcnamee lied to police officers when they investigated -- we are stating on the record that mr. mcnamee lied to police officers when they investigated the

mr. pettit did not believe what mr. clemens said in that 2005 conversation. >> it does not mean he was not mistaken, sir. >> excuse me. this is not your time to argue with me. evidently, he did not believe it in your second conversation because he went ahead and issued a statement, too, as did his wife. mr. mcnamee, you have taken a lot of hits today. in my view, some were fair and some were really unwarranted. there are some members will focus on your inconsistencies. but that may not be unusual in these types of situations. i appreciate your cooperation with our investigation and i want to apologize to you for some of the comments that were made. the rules do not allow list to [unintelligible] a member can say whatever he or she wants in that five minutes or 10 minutes. i think that people who look at this whole question will not just look at the conflict in testimony between the two of you, but others who expressed views on this matter as well. let me end by saying that we started this investigation in baseball to tr