mr. phil ginsberg stated, the department takes great pride in the gardner apprenticeship program as one of the partnership we created with local 261 to establish the very first ever state certified gardner apprenticeship program in california. and most importantly, to sustain it throughout difficult economic times. the program was instituted in june of 2010 and, in fact, the first apprentice staff was appointed out into the field in december 2010. there are 25 budgeted positions with a classification of 34 10, and we currently have 22 of them working with us. the department has invested $2.2 million in the overall apprenticeship program. and just to make the point of how critical and how important the program is to us, the $2.2 million investment is equal and very comparable to the department's preparatory unit which has a 24/7 city-wide coverage responsibilities and public safety park security functions throughout the city. the [speaker not understood] budget is $2.5 million project. the program -- >> is the park control in comparison, how many ftes? how many in comparison? >> 25. >> the