mr. phillip seymour, hoffman did a great job. what he did when he took this heroin is fund mentally, he was committing suicide. he was taking an incredible risk with his life, which he knew all about, yet he went ahead and did it. to your point, it's a particular temptation of musicians and creative folks and drugs have always been, and folks who have a lot of discretional capital and greater access to drugs and that's been very true in this community, you know, and i think it's due to the fact that they have unfulfilled lives for some reason or other to pour these drugs into their system and risk their lives for a high. >> do you remember heath ledger? >> yeah, the joker in batman, i believe. with the same way. listen, i've had friends, one of them in journalism who died after doing drugs. >> what is it about the creative personality, eleanor? >> i think we hear about these overdoses from people who are famous, but there are countless people every day who are dying from heroin overdoses in this country. in reading up on this iss