mr. pilger and mr. smith, we'd be happy to do that. >> thank you. >> all right. >> i also want to follow up to some of the claims that have been made by my republican colleagues and give you an opportunity to respond. it has now been stated twice today that mr. kane testified during his july 17th interview that in mid-february, 2014, the irs realized that lois lerner's e-mails would not be recoverable. i want to clarify here, becau lois lerner's e-mails would not be rekovble. it is true that mr. cane told us he had discovered that ms. learner's hard drive had crashed. however, that does not mean that mr. cain said that he thought in february, 2014, that the irs would never be able to produce those e-mails to congress. in fact, mr. cain was asked, "and as of march, 2014, you were not aware that the irs would be unable to recover all of ms. lerner's documents. and he answered, "that's correct." you further explained that the irs was in an extensive process to find ms. lerner's e-mails from other sources a

mr. pilger.we learn in his opening statement in that deposition, we learn this -- he said, turning -- i'm reading straight from the statement -- turning to my contacts with ms. lerner in the fall of 2010 -- shocked this, we didn't know they were meeting clear back in 2010 that the justice diplomat -- in the fall of 2010 at the direction of the chief of the public integrity section, jack smith, i contacted the internal revenue service. when i contacted them, they directed me to lois lerner. who met one for about an hour. so now we learn in 2010 the justice department with the fbi it meeting with lois lerner. so we said we better subpoena documents, and we said to the justice department, we want any communications with lois lerner that you've had. we get this e-mail. let's put this up, if we can. we get this communication from lois lerner and richard pilger. now, mr. did you give us this e-mail? >> i don't know. >> i can tell you you didn't. after we got this from the justice department, we called