mr. pillpa? >> i think where we're going with this is on chapter 4ie2 the commissioner or chp may rescheduled the hearing for good cause and might read "may continue or reschedule a hearing at their discretion for good cause," good cause may include absence of one or more commissioners. >> i think that is a little too discretionary for what we're talking about. >> okay. >> anyway, it could possibly go there. >> somewhere in that range. i think on the chapter 2 question, i would probably not change the burden. i think the standard of proof and burden to be kind of makes sense. that is what the whole basis of the chapter 2 versus 3 thing was. i think i would be better with three positive votes needed to make a finding that there was a violation. so even if it requires three votes to

mr. pillpa? >> i think where we're going with this is on chapter 4ie2 the commissioner or chp may rescheduled the hearing for good cause and might read "may continue or reschedule a hearing at their discretion for good cause," good cause may include absence

mr. pillpa. >> so we could put a provision in here that says five members must be here in order to have a hearing. to ensure that, you know, that situation doesn't occur. even with four members you could still have a 3-1 vote and that would be perfectly fine. you would have a 3-0 vote with just three people sitting here and that would be perfectly fine too. if you want to ensure that a party comingbefore you has full access to the commission rather than four or three, we could certainly write in here saying no hearing will be held unless all five commissioners will be there. although that could be potentially issues someone gets suddenly ill or there is an emergency. then we have to suddenly cancel everything. >> you would flip it. you could make it that you need three votes to find the respondent has committed a violation and make the burden easier on the respondent. the burden would remain the same on the respondent. >> mr. chatfield. >> hopefully i will make it easier. cause of hearing was developed because because there was a concern had a something coming from the task force, they ha

mr. pillpa's point that if you read in what we defined as "support," into it and replace it, it starts to sound fairly redundant. >> well, if i might? i think where i'm having the most trouble now and we're into subsection b for a second. on line 7. that you can have a circumstance where a primarily formed committee perhaps is only filing semiannual reports and not pre-election reports, but in the instance where that primarily formed committee supports a candidate and using the language "support [o-eufpblts/] ," going to the definition here. i think you are trying to get in that instance a primarily formed committee. >> the reason leaving it in is not redundant, they are going to try to self-define, if they want to get around this provision. >> right. >> so i want them, if they say, we're not raising money to elect him or her, we're just raising money to encourage them. that is covered. we say we are not supporting their election. we are only supporting their candidacy. we might be absurd, but we have had absurd claims before. i don't want them to try to self-define their way out of these