mr. pilpal. >> david pilpal. with regard to this item i have no objection to the recommended contractor. i just had a couple points here. this is a not to exceed amount so i hope we don't spend all of this money in this way. i think we have done well over the last few years by having as much of the marketing and customer education community outreach activities be done by staff rather than consultants. there was a choice made some years ago to hire more folks essentially on tyrone's team than do this with outside contractors. so i hope we will limit the work that goes to this contractor to just those things that the staff is not particularly good at for whatever reason. tv production, whatever. in fact, some of those things could be done through sfgtv, perhaps. i think as much as possible things should be done by staff and not contractors. the other point i wanted to make is there was discussion earlier this year. maybe even last year at the civil service commission on the scope of the approval to go outside on th

mr. pilpal is doing that in these rooms, this type of conflict of interest that is built into the con lusion, between the different city agencies is off the hook. since 1999, willie brown issued orders to every one of his documents and commissions not to comply with sunshine. i have been doing immediate disclosure requests across the departments in san francisco, none of the department heads have done the form 700 certification required by law and the whole city is out of order. to quote al pacino and go giants. >> hi there, i am one of the two whistle blowers, and from my perspective what i am asking for is actually not confidential investigatory information, what we wanted to know about is whether there was an administrative memo during the time that the ethics commission sat on our case for six months while the two of us were driven out of laguna honda ordering the whistle blower to not concurrently investigate the case. and in theory, according to your rules, the ethics commission should have sent a written memo to the whistle blower program, or they should have carried on a concurrent i

mr. pilpal that we need a plan. we need to see what the 1.4 million is used for. i confess i don't know anything about this company hired but apparently it's been used for a long time. i'm sure they have expertise. i would say this is very important. we have identified areas where people are interested in this. now we need to do marketing and outreach in a very professional way by using a firm that is used to that as its main job. we need to make sure we get hold of customers in those areas, showing them why this is so great, why it is worth it for them to pay a little more to get clean energy. not because it is good for environment but long-term they will get a better economic deal out of this. there are things added at the board of supervisors and were already in the plan for reaching out to customers and proactively giving community choice clean power sf customers access to energy efficiency funds and renewable facility installation that is funded through the program so that actually will help bring down their long-term bill as well. because at the same time th

mr. grossman. >> david pilpal i will try to be brief. there are a number of issues at play here. i was not a member of the sunshine ordinance task force at the time that this matter was heard and referred. i'm relying primarily on the memos from miss herrick, and some of the collateral materials that i have seen. i thought this was a fairly straight forward matter but i believe that it is more complicated than i initially thought. i do believe that the commission is the proper place to air this and to make it a decision. i don't believe that it needs to go to any further outside body. and i generally concur, and i believe that i do concur with mr. gibner's analysis that under the charter only the ethics commission can make a final determination, even if some other body provider review and analysis. i think