mr. pincus -- i've got to move on, so you didn't give me the answer. mr. pincus, slide 10 shows -- somebody dare? thank you very much. that slide shows president bush's recess appointments made eight recess appointments to the nlrb during his presidency. now take a chamber of commerce object to mr. bush's recess appointments? pacino a? >> i don't know, congressman. some of them are made in the circumstances here. so you don't know what the chamber did? okay. the national labor relations board, mr. pincus insurers the union and nonunion workers alike. now slide six. thank you -- slide six shows the nlrb protects the right to bargain for wages, benefits and working conditions and the right to take action with coworkers to improve working conditions. now mr. pincus, you are here for business interests, correct? on behalf of the business interests in the chamber represents and is an advocate for restrictions on company management, ray? >> i don't represent the chamber in connection with labor issues. >> she represent the interest of company management and ceos