>> moderator: mr. pires. ires: at a think the federal government creates jobs, but the small businesses do. what can the government do? i think we should do something about the deaths students are carrying. we subsidize everything else. we subsidize all tom carper's banks, why not the students? i think we should have a program helps students get out of this massive debt issue and has so much pressure if he didn't have all the stat on your back. over trillion dollars a student debt. >> moderator: now we have a chance to talk about the economy. for things we need to do. this is a four lane superhighway to prosperity. this is how to make america shiny penny nail. overhaul the tax code. simple but difficult to do, but it needs to be done. rationalized regulatory system. depressor suit out of lebanon as an pages some federal regulations. that's too much. we need to reduce the size of the federal government. the deadly burden of this obese government is crushing this country. it needs to be smaller. way more miles p

this next question goes to mr. pires. the obama administration sidestep congress on the immigration reform issue. this should revoke considerable debate were you reside, especially for the agricultural industry. it relies upon the immigrant labor force. would you push for the provisions of the dream act as a path for citizenship for the undocumented resident? >> the answer is twofold. yes, i would. i do not like the idea of splitting up families. i would give a personal example. i had eight companies in sussex county. i have 400 employees, many of them hispanic. we make sure they have the proper paper work. we provide those we can with insurance. i do not like the idea of splitting up families. we believe in anything we believe in family. the idea that we would take them is anything to up bi be proud of. i supported the president when he came out here is not because there are things going on in such as county that are under the county. we follow the law. i'm a lawyer. we try to follow the law. we do. these people who work

bernie sanders and mr. pires and the reign of mr.arfur will come to an end. >> moderator: this stage is set. we will move into the question portion. mr. carper with the issues facing congress the most critical is the ticking clock pushing to the fiscal cliff that some economists say will plunge the economy into a deep recession. regardless of the outcome of any 11th hour compromises what culpability this is congress have to put the u.s. economy and the state of uncertainty? pires: let me say angus and i have served as governors together. he was recently interviewed in "the washington post" which caucus will you join? he declined and they said who are the senators the you want to me? he said i will meet with tom carper. but with respect to the fiscal cliff we have a responsibility to make sure redoubt go over it. the reduction plan put forward by the simpson bowles commission. between four or $5 trillion. $3 on the spending side and $1 on revenue. that lowers the tax brackets and broaden the base that is taxable perk everything is on