mr. podesta has to say about that. >> chuck, really quickly.hat do you make of president obama's final news conference of the year? he says the u.s. will take action against russia? but at this point is it too little, too late? >> it's obviously too little, too late. the biggest piece of news that came out of that press conference was president obama saying that he had a direct conversation with putin in september, face-to-face, in china, at a one of those g20 summits, and he told -- president said he told putin to cut it out. a month later the wikileaks podesta e-mails went public. so either putin didn't take the threat seriously or russia is not involved undermining the assessment of 17 intelligence agencies in this country. neither outcome is a good outcome for president obama's position on this issue. that's for sure. >> chuck todd moderator of "meet the press." chuck as always, thanks for your time. >>> the trump transition will be the focus of discussion for former defense secretary robert gates and former clinton campaign manager john po

mr. podesta is obtaining information. >> he said "new york times". there's a big long "new york times" story. >> this involvement with the campaign he'll have a certain interest in this and certain view of that. so, again, i allow him his opinion. everyone has a great deal of respect for him so i allow him that opinion. but i disagree with that if that is in fact the characterization he's trying to make. you got to look at every investigation privately. you got to look at every case privately. you got to allow for the fact that the way in which someone may be contacted isn't indicative of the full relationship that they develop or the response that they may have gotten initially from that organization as well. >>> coming up the attorney general on what really happened during that controversial meeting she had on her plane with former president bill clinton. >>> hillary clinton this week blamed fbi dretor james comey once again for in her view moving swing state voters to donald trump in days before election. now for the first time you'll hear from th

mr. podesta seemed to pause when you asked him about wisconsin says it all. take the electoral college, for example, i don't know anybody here played chess. when i win in chess, if i have one player left but his king is gone, i win. that's it. wisconsin is the poster child for the party losing track all the way back to 2010, the takeover of congress. there is an unnerved part of the public that understands the history of hillary clinton. we have seen her for decades. we understand donald trump. the sour grapes we were experiencing isn't going to make a better tasting wine for the democrats in the future. >> let's go to what to do about the russian question here. donald trump's not ready to accept -- dan balls put a theory out. for president-elect who touts america first, russian hacking poses a problem. he throws this out. . >> donald trump's relation with russia has been mystifying all along. the affinity with president putin is recent. how does somebody square that relationship away with the fact that russia is meddling in ukraine, is upsetting our allies,

mr. podesta's sources or where he gets his information or why he has that view.can say is that he's not involved in the ongoing investigation so he wouldn't be privy to everything that would have been done or said to that. but as i said, he's entitled to his opinion, but what i'm -- >> what he's not entitled to is facts. i wonder if his facts are accurate. he finds it "downright infewer yaiting nearly the exact same time no one could bother to drive ten minutes from the agency." he is suggesting without question that hillary clintonese email server got more attention from the justice department and the fbi than this hack investigation by russia, which i think it's fair to say seems fairly serious. >> well that's an ongoing investigation so i would say it's been taken very seriously. >> did the clinton email investigation get more attention than the hacks? >> you can't characterize it and i don't think that it is going to be helpful to try and draw equivalencies to any investigation with others to say and therefore it means that one was more or less important. bec

mr. podesta, i don't know what was told to him. i did hear some of hiss renation of what he did. with the dnc there was some communication. i believe there could have been more understanding who the targets are and who the attackers were and what they were looking to do. this is an incredibly complex issue. it requires government and the private sector to work collaboratively. the private sector, those networks are crime scenes and there's a lot of intelligence there. that intelligence can be and should be shared with the government who can then use their accesses, their capabilities, their policies to try and have some impact on the adversaries to stop them from launching these attacks. we have seen that start to happen now. that's a little too late, brian. >> and evan, this is the world you guys inhabit. we were just saying before air i never get to talk to you about anything pleasant, it's always after something terribly unpleasant. but your world with shadows and darkness overseas has collided domestically here in the united states. >> if you look at the cyber caliphate onlin

mr. podesta's sources or where he gets his information or why he has that view.ut what can i say is that he is not involved in the ongoing investigation. so he wouldn't be privy to everything that would have been done or said to that. as i said, you any, is he entitled to his opinion. >> so heres a democratic attorney general saying is he entitled to his opinion. doesn't sound like she agrees with him on the facts. >> yeah. she may not. i think she is wrong. is he certainly not privy to all the facts. we know enough now about the fbi director's conduct both in the investigation into hacking where he refused to join a statement that other members of the intelligence community put out and in his handling of the clinton investigation to know that he has behaved certainly inappropriately with respect to the clinton investigation. i think carelessly with respect to the russian investigation. so, yeah. she can make that claim. i happen to disagree with her. >> you disagree as a democrat. last question here, which is moving forward, there has been some speculation that

mr. podesta, hillary clinton's campaign mana acquainted and they have cooperated on fundraisers and his name surfaced in the wikileaks. he believe that is what led to the conspiracy theory and the crazy fake news story that has caused so many problems on this stretch of conley. stephen -- stretch of connectict avenue. stephen tschida, abc7 news. jamie: this is a rough stretch. you can see the flashing lights. this is on the capital beltway loop we have accidents here and other places. it looks in this shot like it's 10:00 at night. it's not. that is how low the visibility is. richard reeve knows what i'm talking about. still inching along on the g.w. parkway. let's check in with mobiletrak7. rich? richard: 2 miles per hour. we have been on this thing since 3:50. we are crawling along here. the guys in left-hand lane are moving a little bit. on the right-hand lane going everybody fair warning, g.w. parkway, going to be a slow go. back to you. jamie: you know what? that is not the only spot. we have slowing almost everywhere you are traveling. live look at 95 through dale city. you can see we

mr. podesta was making and others have which is why in addition to the letters, the e lecters are asking for a briefing. the information should be made public to the american people. we need to know if the russians are trying to infiltrate our government in these any fair rouse w nefarious ways. our brave men and women fight to get us this kind of information and to uncove these kinds of things. i think their next commander in chief, mr. trump, owes it to them to not dismiss them out of hand but to listen to the information. and i think again if the electors are suggesting that part of their constitutional duty, they want to hear a briefing, information so that they themselves feel confident -- >> but these were people who weren't going to vote for trump any way except for one. you have nine who come from states where hillary clinton won so what difference does it make to those nine? >> are you seriously suggesting, more importantly, are you suggesting that it's not disconcerting -- >> not at all. it's not goings to change their vote. i'm not saying it's not disconcerting at all. in fact

mr. podesta is obtaining the information. >> he said "the new york times." >> and i know also because of his involvement with the campaign he's going to have a certain view of that. and, so, again, i allow him his opinion. everyone has a great deal of respect for him, so i allow him his opinion. i think you've got to look at every investigation separately. you've got to look at every case separately and you've got to allow for the fact that the way in which someone may be contacted is indicative of the full relationship that they develop or the response that they may have gotten initially from that organization as well. >> coming up the attorney general on what really happened during that controversial meeting she had on her plane with former president bill clinton. when a moment turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is health

mr. podesta's e-mails and those came from his personal g-mail account and trying to figure out why the republican material didn't get made public but what you heard the republican national committee doing is answering the question narrowly were the servers in their offices hacked. a question they've not answered yet is did any of your contractors get hacked or data leave? remember what happened in the office of personnel management a year and a half ago. the giant washington bureaucracy that's got the security files on 22 million americans and lost them all to chinese hackers. they weren't keeping many of those in the office of personnel they were stored in external servers by other agencies. >> we know president obama has called for an investigation into this and wants it by january 20. we have seen republican lawmakers ask for the same type of information and investigation. assuming they're in agreement and learn what you do, what they've learned from the intelligence agencies then what? the president-elect is donald trump. >> the president-elect is donald trump and i think it's important to no

mr. podesta, senator graham and others have said it's placed in the system. affected the trust.y phase two. next thing is how do you affect infrastructure? what do you attack and how? you have to be quiet and nuanced about it to make sure the attacker is not known specifically. seen that in this campaign that russia has initiated several years ago and peaked in the last several months. and full extent of the campaign is some shutdown, financial apparatus, electrical power grid or government. all in play. we have to be careful and cries to have people investigating it is critically important. president in his statement tonight has suggested there are counters to this. one of the main elements of cyber warfare, never allow people to know what you're doing and has to be nuanced approach. that's what the president is saying. we've got capabilities too, be careful what you're doing russia, could come back to haunt you in a variety of ways. that's the threat the president was making in nuanced way tonight. >> and pointed out time and place of our choosing. director woolsey. do you sup

mr. podesta is part of an administration that we've heard complain for eight years about how the other side tried to delegitimize him from the beginning. that's what they're trying to do here. we all famously were told about and learned about how hillary clinton as secretary of state hit the reset button and what good did that do? >> take a look at these nm biers. 55% are bothered by russia's interference. 37% believe it helped trump win. should that 55% number be an indication to the incoming administration that these are questions that won't go away in the minds of voters? sahil, you first. >> shushgs i think people will have a lot of questions, especially democrats shocked by the results of this election are looking to this, perhaps putting a little too much faith in this as -- too much faith in the fact there was outside meddling as to why they lost. it's very important to note here that donald trump is the duly elected pilots no matter what happened here. president obama certified that, he said there was no election tamperings, and president obama said i think very importantly that the

mr. podesta about his assessment and that's the point about fact-based information but it would be helpful for other electoral college members to have as much information as possible going into the vote on monday. >> but clay, much of this is classified information. you have a number of intelligence agencies, you have officials who have been privy to the information all coming to the same conclusion that there was interference on the part of the russians. now whether or not it was designed to get donald trump elected, that is still unclear but what's clear by the assessment we've been provided is that there was interference. what more do you need or do you feel you can be provided? >> what we know is that there has been an unprecedented intervention by a hostile foreign power. we don't know what is there. what we do think is the facts should be put out there and the absence of fact, people make up their own facts. the intelligence community has obviously made a great deal of investigation into this. so facts are available but we're asking as electors of federal officials given the chance t

mr. podesta and the team over there are trying to justify why they spent $1.2 billion and lost the electiond they're coming up and they're asking these nice people, these are good americans that are protesting, they're asking them and they're telling them the nonsense that if you go out and protest and send e-mails and send letters, we will overturn it. what they don't understand is 20 people picked in pennsylvania and i'm honored to be one of the 20 that donald trump picked. does donald trump believe that the people he picked are going to change their mind? i mean, i'm an immigrant from india. and the word on the street is only high school graduates and white people are voting for trump. well, sir, i am not a white person. i am i grant from india. and i have three college degrees. so it is not that i'm a high school guy. >> so, ash, let me ask you then, there's been an effort afoot now to get rid of the electoral college. senator dick durbin and others have been toying with that. a number of democrats in the house, we don't need it, it's archaic. how do you feel about that? >> well, here's

mr. podesta is obtaining information. >> he said "the new york times." big long "new york times" story. >> i know also because of his involvement with the campaign he's going to have a certain interest in this and a certain view of that. and so i -- again, i allow him his opinion. everyone has a great deal of respect for him so i allow him that opinion but i disagree with that if that is, in fact, the characterization he is trying to make. >> jake tapper hosts "the state of the union" joins us now. good morning. >> good morning. >> what's your take on the degree of frustration that loretta lynch is feeling over podesta's comments? >> well, she's really in a tough position because obviously she did not authorize a lot of what fbi director james comey did, but because of that incident in the summer when bill clinton went on to her plane to talk to her, she kind of, although not officially, but kind of stepped back and recused herself and allowed comey to be more autonomous with his decisions when it came to the investigation of hillary clinton's private e-

mr. podesta's private gmail account. so there was lost time.n't escalate it. >> can i stop you there, david? that's what -- just the bit on the fbi, listen, i understand they have a massive job to do but we're talking about the presidential election. we're talking about the dnc. why didn't someone show up and bang on the door and say, hey, listen up,ing this's awry? >> especially because the doors aren't that far apart. you could walk between the fbi headquarters and the dnc headquarters on your way to get a cup of coffee so it's not as if this was a distant target. it's a great question because the fbi didn't escalate it, they get a lot of cyber-related information and intelligence and they try to warn the people who are being attacked, they're overwhelmed but in this case there are certain things that they knew. it's the dean see and there's a presidential election coming up. president obama when he was running in 2008 you'll recall, brooke, had his campaign e-mails cleaned out by the chinese as did senator john mccain who was running against

mr. podesta and mr. graham several others have placed spy ware in their systems.effected the trust of government information. that is the first step. the next thing is how do you affect infrastructure? what do you attack and how? and you have to be very quiet and nuanced to make sure the attacker is not known specifically. we've seen that in this entire campaign that russia has initiated several years ago. and it has peaked in the last several months and finally if you get to the full extent of a campaign you are talk about some type of shut down. whether a financial apparatus, a electoral power grid or elemeri element. the president, in his statement tonight have suggested there are counters to this. one of tmain elements of the cy warfare is you never allow anybody to know exactly what you are doing and it has to be done in a nuanced approach and i think that is what the president is saying, is hey, we've got capabilities too. be careful what you are doing russia because it could come back to haunt you in a variety of ways and i think that is the threat that the

mr. podesta is obtaining information. >> at that thursday night event, clinton blamed vladimir putin for her defeat. >> we're also learning more every day about the unprecedented russian plot to swing this election. >> but the president refused to say he is the reason she lost, though he did all but confirm an nbc news story that the russian president personally approved the cyberattacks. >> not much happens in russia without vladimir putin. >> while president obama was valed criticism for trump, he was less reluctant to blame the press. >> i find it curious everybody is surprised that this looked like it was disadvantaging hillary clinton because you guys wrote about it every day. every single leak. >> some democrats are frustrated the president did not act more aggressively in the fall. >> it was really nothing preventing the administration on its own from being even more declaratory in terms of what the intelligence showed. i think it was a mistake. >> trump is ignoring the fact the fbi and the director of national intelligence agree with a cia assessment that russia intervened to hel

mr. podesta. the committee, lindsey graham and john mccain, talking about the need for an investigation into this information about russia. rob in massachusetts, go ahead. caller: how are you? america really started one george washington became president, you cannot find a bible anywhere in the city. he went to the nearest masonic lodge to get a bible. he was sworn in on the bible of the lodges. the robber rules of order is run by organizations all over the world. it, rotary elks use club. roberts rule of order needs to be taught to everyone. host: steve from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. i am for the electoral college because i am deeply concerned about the popular vote, depending on the web of our society after that time, we could have a dictatorship. way it it keep it the interject, why did trump when the election? 81% of was in the evangelical christians voted not on either one of the 2 people because i do not care about them. we looked at the platform in which the democrat

mr. podesta is obtaining the information. >> he said a long "new york times" story. >> because of his involvemente campaign he will have a certain interest in this and a certain view of that. again, i allow him his opinion. everyone has a great deal of respect for him. i allow him that opinion, but i disagree with that, if that is, in fact, the characterization he's trying to make. >> so, she's standing by the fbi and the decisions that they made and how james comey handled this. when this all broke, behind the scenes a lot of disconnect and disagreement and now she's saying, no, no, no. i'll back what they did. >> for some analysis on this. newt gingrich has been looking at this and he had this take on john podesta's comment. listen to newt gingrich. >> by hacking into the e-mails, they let the american people know things that were true, i mean the russians didn't write the e-mails. hillary clinton did. john podesta did. everything that is really embarrassing and damaging came either from bill clinton, hillary clinton, their top staff or john podesta their campaign manager. their argument is rea

mr. podesta said. she got fewer votes.artha: we'll be getting into all of that throughout the course of the morning, peter. so what does the president-elect have planned for today? >> reporter: martha, last night the president-elect had an off the record meeting with some of the reporters who are here all of the talk of that was off the record. later on today he's going to have some more meetings behind closed doors, high profile. we expect to get a guest list a little bit later on today, but he does still have two cabinet positions to fill with inauguration day approaching, so he's got some work to do. martha? martha: base of operations now in palm beach florida -- bill: not a bad place to hang out. sunshine. you would need to actually make history to change this vote. the last time more than one elector did change their vote was before the civil war. so then you wonder why is this such a big deal. byron york, fox news contributor, good day to you on a monday. >> good morning, bill. bill: so in theory, this is the last ch

mrs. clinton's campaign chairman, john podesta, whose private e-mail account was hacked months later. joining me right now is one of the reporters who broke this huge story for "the times," eric lipton. thanks for coming on today, especially. what i couldn't get -- well, i could get, but it bugged me. i'll just say it bugged me. this i.t. at the dnc got a call from the fbi that they were being hacked and just sort of sat on it. and then the fbi never got in a taxi or whatever and drove over to the dnc. it's only 15, 20 minutes away and told them what was going on. it was so weak, the effort at communication. i wonder who's responsible, the failure of the dnc kid or whoever it was to bring it to the attention of the chair, or the failure of the fbi to show any earnestness in pursuing the party? >> i think it's a collection of missed opportunities that has real consequences. and i think that clearly, the dnc i.t. guy did not take the threat seriously enough. mostly because when he first gets a telephone call that comes into the front desk and gets passed to him, at first, he doesn't bel

mr. president, you said dnc and john podesta specifically. yet you sort of made it sound like tlerp interfering with the election in general -- >> intimately involved with the election -- >> -- my question would be though is if it were such an issue. say not a misdemeanor but a felony level. why would you just grab mr. putin at a g 20 conference in september and say cut that out? it would have been far more forceful to say listen, meet me in geneva. we're going to do have an international investigation. get out of our election and don't interfere with anybody else's. but to say i pulled putin aside and said cut it out. he must have not thought it was that serious. >> first, donald trump, he is the president elect. does he need to say something on this subject? >> i think he's going to let the house intelligence communities, evan nunez, richard burr. he's going let the process go through and right now he has to focus on getting his team in position. there is a narrative about delegitimatizing his election. and it was the recount. it was the el

podesta. he wondered to day how much the trump campaign knew. >> one of trump's foreign policy advisers went to russia. so i think really, not, what mr.t did trump inc. know and when did they know it. >> reporter: mr. trump's chief of staff said the leaks made no difference. >> let's assume it is true. no evidence the outcome of the election was changed because of a couple of dozen, john podestae drk mails out there. >> john mccain called for a bipartisan subcommittee investigation into russian hacking. well, today, elaine he went further, recommending a cyberwarfare select committee because of what he called a lack of strategy in combatting such attacks. >> errol barnett. thank you. >>> police in little rock, arkansas, are searching for a man who shot and killed a 3-year-old boy in an alleged road rage incident. police say the boy was shopping with his grandmother yesterday, they were at a stop sign when another driver got out of his car. apparently angry that they were slowing him down. and opened fire. the boy died at the hospital. >> it was a wedding day tragedy near los angeles yesterday. family and friend were taking pictures in

john podesta had e-mail interactions with mr. james alafontis.rpetuated but he was a hillary clinton supporter and talk of a fundraiser at the pizza restaurant. the fact it's gone from that type of conversation and gone to this crazy false accusations shows how pervasive this fake news is. >> the people within there, armed, this could have been far worse over a fake news story. >>> stay with us, we'll have the latest on the shooting death of joe mcknight and memorials in his owner and the new orleans branch of the naacp who's been advising the family as they demand answers as to why the man who shot him is not in charge. >> just don't go out there and feel like you have to hate about it. just love. he loved everybody. he wanted to make everybody laugh. just remember that. remember that about my brother. >>> new details about the road rage incident that left joe mcknight dead. according to the jefferson parish sheriff's office, ronald who admitted to shooting mcknight arrested a decade ago at that same intersection for another road rage incident.

mr. trump has questioned the cia's conclusion that russia hacked the dnc surfeervers and podesta's e-mails. there's a call for a congressional investigation into what the intelligence community says russia did and why. some gop leaders are backing the cia over the president-elect. >> obviously, any foreign breach of our cyber security measures is disturbing. i strongly condemn any such efforts. >> the president-elect has put the intelligence community on edge by refusing to get daily presidential briefings. >>> the electoral college votes to send donald trump to the white house in pennsylvania 20 electors will meet in harrisburg monday to officially cast their ballot for mr. trump. grass-roots groups have been organizing vigils like this last night in philly. they are urging the electors to vote for anybody else. they say president-elect trump is unqualified and are concerned with his ties to russia and russia's alleged interference in the election. nbc 10 spoke to an elector to says the pennsylvania delegation has no intention of changing their vote. >> all 20 of the pennsylvania electors

have concluded that russia hacked democratic groups, and the e-mails of john podesta, the chairman of hillary clinton's campaign. mr. obama called today's retaliation "a necessary and appropriate response"... not just to the hacking, but to "aggressive harassment of u.s. officials" in moscow. he also said the u.s. may take other actions "at a time and place of (its) choosing, some of which will not be publicized". president-elect trump has played down the hacking, as he did again last night: >> i think we ought to get on with our lives. i think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on. >> sreenivasan: moscow today dismissed the u.s. announcement. a spokesman for president vladimir putin said he regrets the move and will consider counter-measures of his own. in the meantime, a u.s. government report detailing russian meddling in american elections is due out in the coming days. several top republicans in congress said the president's sanctions are overdue. they plan to push for tougher action. we'll hear from the top homelan

mr. trump has questioned the cia's conclusion that russia hacked the dnc and clinton campaign chairman podesta e-mails and now there is a bipartisan call for an investigation into what russia allegedly did and why. some gop leaders are backing the cia over the president-elect. >> obviously, any foreign breach of our cybersecurity measures is disturbing, and i strongly condemn any such efforts. >> the president-elect has already put the intelligence community on edge by refusing to get daily presidential briefings. stay with nbc 10 and the nbc 10 app for instant updates on president-elect trump's cabinet selections. we'll let you know as soon as they happen. also make sure to watch the "today" show at 7:00 this morning for detailed analysis on the president-elect's choice. >> where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? it's like incredible. >> remember this, donald trump's boast on the campaign trail tops the list of 2016 notable quotes. a yale school librarian puts out the list each year. seven of the ten quotes on the list were ei

podesta. he wondered to day how much the trump campaign knew. >> one of trump's foreign policy advisers went to russia. so i think really, not, what mr.p inc. know and when did they know it. >> reporter: mr. trump's chief of staff said the leaks made no difference. no evidence the outcome of the election was changed because of a couple of dozen, john podestae drk mails out there. >> john mccain called for a bipartisan subcommittee investigation into russian hacking. well, today, elaine he went further, recommending a cyberwarfare select committee because of what he called a lack of strategy in combatting such attacks. >> errol barnett. more now on the russian election hack. kellyanne conway discussed it on facing the nation. >> the entire nonsense about the electors trying to use the russian hacking issue to change the election results is unfortunate. i think that actually undermines our democracy more than any other conversation that we are having right now. >> mr. trump is skeptical the russians were in leaving aside the question of whether it affected the election or not. you have the cia, fbi director of national intelligence, num

hillary clinton campaign chairman john podesta said an independent investigation is needed to find out what, if anything, the trump campaign knew. >> i think really what mr. trump knew but what a trump inc know and when did they know it, were they in touch with the russians. i think those are still open questions and the electors have a right to know what the answers are. >> stewart: security forces in jordan have stormed a popular tourist site where gunmen killed ten people today and held a number of tourists hostage. in the southern city of karak, 90 miles south of amman, gunmen attacked a medieval crusader castle, killing a canadian tourist, two other civilians, and seven police officers. after a standoff that continued past nightfall, security forces exchanged gunfire with the attackers, and freed tourists who had been trapped. jordan's government offered no immediate information about them. isis has again fatally struck an army base in yemen. officials say at least 52 soldiers were killed and more than 60 were injured when a suicide bomber blew himself up at the base in aden, which is the capital of yemen's internationally-recognized government in e

podesta. he wondered today how much the trump campaign knew. >> one of trump's policy advisors went to russia, so i think really not what mr. trump knew but what did trump aides know an when did they know it? >> but the trump's chief of staff said the leaks made no difference. >> there is no evidence that shows the outcome of the election was changed because of a couple dozen john p podesta e-mails out there. >> senate republican john mccain has called for a bipartisan subcommittee investigation into russian hacking, both, today elaine he went further saying there should be a cyber committee because of a, what he called the lack of strategy. >> thank you. >> quijano: police in little rock arkansas are searching for a man who shot and killed a three-year-old boy in an alleged road rage incident. >> they say the boy was shopping with his grandmother yesterday, they were at a stop sign when another 0 driver got out of his car, angry they were slowing them down and opened fire. >> it was a wedding day tragedy near los angeles yesterday, family and friends were taking pictures in a park when a tree crashed down on them. one pers

. >> reporter: john podesta whose own e-mails were hacked said it was an open question if russia colluded with the trump campaign. >> i think really not what mr. trump knew but what did trump inc. know and when did they know it and were they in touch with the russians. >> reporter: at least four senators are calling for a bipartisan panel to investigate the hack. members of the electoral college meet at their state capitals today. the matter won't be completely settled. congress still needs to open and count the ballots and that will happen january 6th, two weeks from this friday. >>> first lady michelle obama gave her final one-on-one interview in the white house to oprah winfrey and said hope was a key element of her husband's time in office. >> your husband's administration, everything. the election was all about hope. do you think that this administration achieved that? >> reporter: yes. i do. because we feel the difference now. see, now, we're feeling what not having hope feels like, you know? hope is necessary. it's a necessary concept, and barack didn't just talk about hope because he thought it was just a nice slogan to get votes. i m

mr. trump is sworn in. >> the intelligence that i have seen gives me great confidence in their assessment that the russians carried out this hack. the hack of the dnc and the hack of john podesta. but i will be honest with you, when you are talking about cyber security, a lot of it is classified and we're not going to provide it. >> reporter: mr. obama vowed to npr to retaliate against russia in a proportionate way. >> we need to take action. and we will at a time and place of our choosing. some of it may be explicit and publicized. some of it may not be. but mr. putin is well aware of my feelings about this, because i spoke to him directly about it. >> reporter: while his administration rebuffed a request for a briefing on the claims of russian cyber meddling, president obama referred to an assessment to that effect reached by the cia. mr. obama implied that that assessment is, quote, uniform across all 17 of the nation's spy agencies. >> unless the american people genuinely think that the professionals in the cia, the fbi, our entire intelligence infrastructure are less trustworthy than the russians, then people should pay attention to what our intelligence agencies sgagency

. >> john podesta said it was an open question if russia colluded with the trump campaign. >> not what mr. trump know. what were -- were they in touch with the russias. >> four senators are calling for a panel to investigate the hack. >>> last month the president- elect won 306 electoral votes. but he lost the popular vote to hillary clinton by 2 million votes. >>> a crowd of protesters gathered in sacramento last night. they are urging electors across the country to select someone other than donald trump. all 55 california members of the california electoral college will cast their votes for hillary clinton today. >>> and it's a bitterly cold start to the day and to the new workweek. you're looking live in san jose this morning where temperatures are around the freezing mark. it's really cold out. one of those wear a sweater days and bundle up. and this is what happened in san jose over the weekend. freezing weather responsible possibly for a busted water main. some streets were flooded when a pipe burst close to spartan stadium. a couple of nearby businesses ran dry. >>> and that's why

mrs. clinton. that's what happened to john podesta. that's what happened to the whole clinton campaign. another 3,000 or 4,000 things. technically, hacking is when someone remotely gets in the operational system and controls it and alters what's in there. there's absolutely no evidence that's been produced yet, brian, and -- >> hacking isn't going in and taking me e-mails? >> no. hacking is affecting the integrity of the system. there's no evidence that that happened here by anybody for any purpose. >> is there any evidence of leaking? >> of course there's evidence of leaking. somehow all the e-mails of john podesta -- >> that's not hacking. that's leaking. hacking is controlling. influencing, changing, altering the operational system. leaking is revealing what's in there. >> having said that, what does -- donald trump have a case when he said this played no role in the election? >> yes, donald trump has a strong case. the best case the democrats have is some people were disaffected to mrs. clinton when they read the snarky e-mails of her staff. what donald trump is talking about, there

mr. trump knew, but what did trump ifr inc. know? >> do you think that there was collusion? >> well, john podesta statements made by russian government people that there was contact, if i recall correctly. it's a pretty explosive charge. i don't have nearly enough information to be able to address whether that is true or not. is it a possibility? of course it's a possibility. again, you know, what's being described, of course, would be american citizen collusion on espionage at best. so my hope is -- if we can put together an investigatory committee and remember -- in the last couple of years we have seen eight or nine put together for benghazi. we have one out there examining planned parenthood. all of these things that were nakedly political. i would hope my republican friends who now solidly control both the house and senate and the oval office would have the same amount of rigor in putting to the committees and really going deep on this investigation so we get precisely those answers. >> let me ask you this quickly. if this committee is put together, do you think we will find anything more th