mr. potok joins me now. what have you learned about this man in the years you've been tracking him? >> well, basically, he is a guy who describes leaving his home state of colorado with all his belongings packed on to a motorcycle in the year 2000. and at that point, he goes directly into the white power music scene out there. he starts to play with racist rock and roll bands around the country. he played with several very well-known bands. bands like intimidation one and blue eyed devils as a lead guitarist and vocalist. ultimately in 2005 page started his own band which he called, i think significantly, end apathy. he gave an interview several years ago to a particular white supremacist website in which he talked about the name of the band. and basically explained it as a message to his colleagues, his fellows in the white supremacist world, essentially saying "we've got to act now." he really didn't go into any detail. he didn't talk specifically about violence or hating muslims or sikhs or anything like that but it seemed very clear he was itching for action. >> do you believe t