mr. proudy up? >> no. >> you couldn't have said anything to give mr.lair that impression to give him to being on his bar? >> endeavoi never asked blair f favors. >> mr. blair said you would think about it but the phone call came from proudy to blair asking the other way around in mr. campbell's diary. [talking over each other] >>

mr. proudy, that administrator apparently was made no more than a figure head. you say you appointed ms. -- i forget her name. >> ruth cox. >> yes. the new administrator. but as it appears from his organization of the committee -- of the gsa the regional administrator had direct control over the two commissioners. the pbs commissioner. z and you have the reporting straight up that we have talked about today. it looks as though this person you appointed was something like a figure head just the way the cfo also called a gsa was a figure head and yet you kept this structure. this structure put in place by an acting gsa administrator when you could have looked at it and seen it seems to me that your own -- seems to me your own commissioner. he makes sure these reports around the regional administrator and straight up to the commissioners, the respective commissioners. that means if i'm coming in, i'm looking at less authority for me because my own person there no longer has the authority that he did before. why did you accept this organization -- this former organi

proudy, robin graft and -- >> those are commissioners. they're from the public building service. >> but they're still being paid. >> i believe so, but i am not there. >> mr. neely is being paid. he's on administrative leave. >> on administrative leave. my understanding is the person is -- >> any idea what these folks make? maybe mr. robertson, you're chief of staff, you surely would know what these people make. >> i'm happy to provide the exact numbers, but i believe they're all at the top of the ses scale. . so what is the top of the scale? >> i believe it's close in somewhere -- 170-range. >> 170 range. you know, mr. chaffetz made some good points. i've got to tell you. thank god this time would happen in vegas didn't stay in vegas. the disappointment of these hard-working american taxpayers to know that the gas, the watchdog, the people who are going to make sure -- listen, they have an obsession with no waste. to see this go on, day after day, in our government. asking people to give more of what they have, dipping into what they have, to support a government that wastes more and more of their money. i don't think anybody minds paying taxes if the mo