mr. puritz, let me ask you one more question. do you think it is -- and i want to use the correct quote here -- complex and burdensome to offer advice that is in the best interests of the client as primerica claims? i didn't think so. so, frankly, the suggestion that it's too expensive to provide people with sound financial advice is ridiculous. millions of financial advisers do it every day. hard working americans like the florida firefighters and teachers who devoted their careers to protecting the public and who were targeted by primerica shouldn't have to worry about whether their financial advisers are planning to get risk by playing roulette with their commerce' retirement savings. the department of labor is working to fix its problem. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, senator. mr. puritz in both your spoken testimony and your written testimony, you refer to something called a brokerage refugee. i think that someone who fled a brokerage and had a bad experience, i guess, right? okay. it was mentioned in your written te