mr. ramsey. i thought that was fascinating, on what a small proportion of the student athletes end up going into pro sports that's most likely not going to be their career. they have to have that ability to pursue and if it's supposed to be 20 hours, then we have to find some way to measure that and enforce is. >>> to me this hearing so far has been a lot of talk about a lot of things which have been around for an awfully long time which we all think should be solved, but they're not solved and i think there are very clear reasons for it, and that is decision-making is flawed, fragile and useless. florida, which has -- everybody recruits from florida they have a law that transparency how money is spent has to be made public, because they have a law. and so, you know, in the contributions and when ncaa comes in, only a small portion goes to education and all kinds of things go to the stadium, that is all available to the public. so i commend them for coming from a state like that and i just think

mr. ramsey, as well, for your inspiration and being here. but there's a whole category of athletes that were not quite at your level but are participating in college sports and it's been an opportunity for them to getten education and for women, as well. that are at your level but don't always generate the same amount of revenue and i want to make sure that women still have the opportunity that they've had because of title 9. so if you could comment on that i'd appreciate it. >> i would love to comment on that. i think it's not a zero sum game. if some athletes are profit athletes who have a higher market value than the cost of their grand and aid, then we should treat them differently than athletes who are not profit athletes. it's not either/or or they must be. if they're employees, as the nlrb found, we should treat them as employees. that does not mean that college athletics or athletes and other sports, women or -- it doesn't -- >> can i tell you -- >> it's not an either/or -- >> doctor, my university said if the unionation rule was app

mr. ramsey. i thought that was fascinating, on what a small proportion of the student athletes end up going into pro sports, that's most likely not going to be their career. they have to have that ability to pursue, and if it's supposed to be 20 hours, then we have to find some way to measure that and enforce is. >>> to me this hearing so far has been a lot of talk about a lot of things which have been around for an awfully long time, which we all think should be solved, but they're not solved, and i think there are very clear reasons for it, and that is decision-making is flawed, fragile and useless. florida, which has -- everybody recruits from florida, they have a law that transparency, how money is spent, has to be made public, because they have a law. and so, you know, in the contributions and when ncaa comes in, only a small portion goes to education and all kinds of things go to the stadium, that is all available to the public. so i commend them for coming from a state like that, and i jus

mr. ramsey. a guy that brings millions of dollars into a university and his adjudication happened quickly. yours did not. you're not a named athletes. so it didn't. so what i want to say in conclusion, mr. chairperson, and really, why i love the tail of respect branches here because similar books of my life about the civil rights movement. when there's a class of individuals who are being exploited and there's millions and millions of dollars being brought in and guys can't even afford health care, cannot afford to finish their degrees, then we have a problem. and i respect dr. emrid and said we'll add that but where is the urgency that this has been going on for decades in america? i don't trust like the supreme court, when they said we're going to integrate schools they said do it with what? with what kind of speed? all deliberate speed and it took them a long time to get around to doing the right thing by people. these aren't just people. these are young people in theites of america. and we ca

mr. ramsey, for example, we need to find ways to take advantage of internships, study abroad opportunities, all the things we know that help prepare them for life, because a very, very tiny fraction of them will ever play professional sports. for virtual all college players their last game is in college. their professional life and life in general will be changed by having a meaningful degree and meaningful experiences that go along with that. that means we have to create opportunities for them to do the many things that are available on campuses. >> mr. bradshaw, you bring unique perspective as a former a.d. and as member institution. i'm told it was your practice to conduct interviews and at times that led to substan thif changes in policy, but you have some examples from those interviews that you can share with us that led to direct improvements? >> we gathered our best information from our student athletes about how they were being treated. as many of you might now student athletes are not the most shy. they actually let you know when they're hungry, when they need things. the exit int

mr. ramsey, for example, we need to find ways to take advantage of internships, study abroad opportunities, all the things we know that help prepare them for life, because a very, very tiny fraction of them will ever play professional sports. for virtual all college players, their last game is in college. their professional life and life in general will be changed by having a meaningful degree and meaningful experiences that go along with that. that means we have to create opportunities for them to do the many things that are available on campuses. >> mr. bradshaw, you bring unique perspective as a former a.d. and as member institution. i'm told it was your practice to conduct interviews, and at times that led to substan thif changes in policy, but you have some examples from those interviews that you can share with us that led to direct improvements? >> we gathered our best information from our student athletes about how they were being treated. as many of you might now, student athletes are not the most shy. they actually let you know when they're hungry, when they need things. the exit

mr. symonds, we hear a lot of names, especially amongst the montgomery, omar bradley. but two you point out in the book you wrote, alan kirk and bertrund ramsey. who are they and why are they important to the story? >> eisenhower was the supreme allied commander mean was in charge of the entire operation. and the reason he was such a good pick for that is because of his political sensitivity. we think of a general in command as being a warrior. of course, he must be that. but the political sensitivity that made him also not a bad president, allowed him to command not just british and american forces that happened to be on the same side but a genuinely allied command. and in significance of that, the significance of that is demonstrated by the fact that all three of his subordinate commanders for ground, air and naval troops are all british. montgomery commanded all ground troops. british and american on both sides. lee malorie, tafford lee malorie commanded air forces on both sides. and for the navy,er is bertrund ramsey commanded not just the royal navy ships involved in operation on d-day and in the months after, but allied forces, includin