mr. ramsey. i thought that was fascinating, on what a small proportion of the student athletes end up going into pro sports, that's most likely not going to be their career. they have to have that ability to pursue, and if it's supposed to be 20 hours, then we have to find some way to measure that and enforce is. >>> to me this hearing so far has been a lot of talk about a lot of things which have been around for anly lo which we all think should be sophomore but they are not solved a man that think there are very clear reasons for its demand that his decision making is flawed, fragile, and useless decision-making is flawed, fragile and useless. florida, which has -- everybody recruits from florida, they have a law that transparency, how money is spent, has to be made public, because they have a law. and so, you know, in the contributions and when ncaa comes in, only a small portion goes to education and all kinds of things go to the stadium, that is all available to the public. so i commend them

mr. ramsey, for example, we need to find ways to take advantage of internships, study abroad opportunities, all the things we know that help prepare them for life, because a very, very tiny fraction of them will ever play professional sports. for virtual all college players, their last game is in college. their professional life and life in general will be changed by having a meaningful degree and meaningful experiences that go along with that. that means we have to create opportunities for them to dohe ma thing >> mr. raj shah, you bring unique perspective as a former ap and as a member institution taking care of the well being of your student athletes. i'm told it was your practice while a temple to conduct exit interviews and am wondering, sometimes those lead to substantive changes and policy under programs can be improved. you have some examples from those interviews that you can share with us drug improves the way temple to address the needs of the student athletes because we gathered our best information from student athletes about how they're being treated. as many of you might kno