mr. raskin. >> thank, you miss murphy. throughout our hearings, you've heard how president trump made baseless claims of voting machines were being manipulated by foreign powers in the 2020 election. you've also heard trump's attorney general, bill barr, described such claims as complete nonsense, which he told the president. let's review that testimony. >> i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public. that there was this systemic corruption in the system and that their vote didn't count in that these machines, controlled by somebody else, we're actually determining it. which was complete nonsense. and it was being laid out there. i told them that it was crazy stuff and they were wasting their time on that. and it was doing a great disservice to the country. >> we've learned that president trump's white house counsel agreed with the department of justice about this. >> attorney general barr made a pu

mr. raskin. >> thank you mrs. murphy.oughout our hearings, you heard a president trump made baseless claims that voting machines were manipulated by foreign powers in the 2020 election. you also heard about trump's attorney general, bill barr, described it as complete nonsense. let's review the testimony. >> i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations that they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people, members of the public, that there was the systemic corruption in the system and that their votes didn't count and that these motions machines controlled by somebody else were actually determining, it which was complete another nonsense. i told him that it was crazy stuff and that they were wasting their time on that. it was doing a grave disservice to the country. >> we've learned that president trump's white house counsel agreed with the department of justice about the. >> attorney general barr, [inaudible] >> it's fair to say that i agreed with attorney general barr's co

mr. raskin. >> thank you, mister chairman. mr. van tatenhove, in the run of the january 6th van tatenhove -- stewart rhodes publicly implored president trump to invoke the insurrection act, the 1807 law that allows the president to call up militias to put down a rebellion against the united states. i want to get your thoughts about this in the context of your prior relationship with stewart rhodes. i understand that you had conversations with rhodes about the insurrection act. why was he so fixated on that? what did he think it would enable the oath keepers to do? >> well, i think it gave him a sense of legitimacy, that it was a path forward to move forward with his goals and agenda. i think we need to quit mincing words and just talk about truths and what is going to be was an armed revolution. people died that day. law enforcement officers died on that day. there was a gallo set up at the front of the capitol, this could've been the spark that started a civil war. no one would have won that. that wouldn't have been good for no o

mr. raskin of maryland will lay out this story. first i'm pleased to recognize distinguished vice chair miss cheney from wyoming. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. our committee did not conduct a hearing last week but we did conduct an on the record interview of president trump's former white house counsel, pat cipollone. if you have watched these hearings, you have heard us call for mr. cipollone to come forward to testify. he did. and mr. cipollone's testimony met our expectations. we will save for our next hearing president trump's behavior during the violence of january 6th. today's hearing will take us from december 14, 2020, when the electoral college met and certified the results of the 2020 presidential election up through the morning of january 6th. you will see certain segments of pat cipollone's testimony today. also see today how president trump summoned a mob to washington and how the president stole an election lies provoked that mob to attack the capitol and hear from a man induced by president trump's lies to com

mr. raskin from maryland. >> thank you. mr. van tatenhoft, stewart rhodes implored president trump to invoke the insurrection act, the law that allows the president to put up malitias to put down a rebellion against the united states. i want your thoughts about this in your prior relationship with stewart rhodes. i understand that you had conversations with rhodes about the insurrection act. why was he so fixated on that and what did he think it would enable the oath keepers to do? >> well. >> i think it gave him a sense of legitimacy that it was a path forward to move forward with his goals and agendas. i think we need to quit mincing words and just talk about truths and what it was going to be was an armed revolution. people died that day. law enforcement officers died this day. there was a gallos set up in front of the capitol. this could have been the spark that started a new civil war. no one would have won there. that would have been good for no one. he was always looking for ways to legitimize what he was doing, whether

mr. raskin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. van tatenhove, in the run up to january 6th stewart rhodes personally implored the president to calm up the 1824 act, rebellion against the united states. i want to get your thoughts about in your prior relationship with stewart roasdz. i understand you had conversation with rhodes about the insurrection act. why was he so fictionated on that and -- fixated on that and what did he think it would enable the oath keepers to do? >> i think it gave him a sense of legitimacy. to move forward with his goals and agenda $. i think we need to quit mincing words and talk about truths and what it was going to be was an armed revolution. i mean people died that day. law enforcement centers died this day. there was a gallows set up in front of the capitol. this could have been the spark that started a new civil war and no one would have won there. that would have been good for to lent miez legitimize what h. wrapping it in the trappings of it's not a militia, it's a community preparedness team. we

mr. raskin. jamie raskin: hey. man: don't give him the fucking wall. jamie raskin: all right.your work. woman: i haven't emailed your office lately, but i'm sure i will. (both laughing) woman: whenever i get angry, i just fire something off. jamie raskin: we have a system of checks and balances here, and you don't hold the federal workforce and the people of the country hostage in order to get your way in a policy debate. he wasn't able to get the mexican government to pay for his wall. he wasn't able to get congress to do it, even when he controlled the house and the senate with republican control over the last two years. now, suddenly, the democrats take over the house. we won 40 seats and he decides to shut the government down. it's just an unacceptable way to do business in a democracy. ♪ ♪ (keyboard typing) ♪ ♪ i never thought that trump could turn out to be a good guy, but i thought maybe, all of this right wing authoritarian populist stuff, all this mussolini stuff, would just fade away quickly when he got in to office, that cooler heads would prevail, the conservative

mr. raskin said in an interview, rattling off the list of deadly hate crimes that had taken place before the attack on the capital. there are a number of young white men getting hyped up on racist provocation and incitement. what is your perspective on the incident that day, 2017, in charlottesville. guest: it came out of the same set of issues we are talking about. the young man who organized the march on the other protesters in charlottesville, interestingly enough, was a former obama supporter. he somehow learned or it had been taught to him that african-americans -- not african-americans, but minorities were projected to become the majority of the population, and he transformed himself into this little white rights person. it's interesting, on a personal level, that he could do that. but where this fits in is we have had a pattern in this country. when there are advances in racial progress, people get concerned about that. we saw that most emphatically in post reconstruction, when the enslaved people became freemen and the south went crazy, and ultimately managed to kick out the troo

mr. raskin. >> mr.enhove, opted january six, stewart rhodes implored president trump to enact the insurrection act, allow the president to call it militias to put down a rebellion against the united states. i want to get your thoughts about this in the context of your prior relationship with stewart rhodes. i understand you had conversations with rhodes about the insurrection act, why was he so fixated and what did he think it would enable the oath keepers to do? >> i think it gave him a sense of legitimacy, a path to move forward with his goals and agendas. i think we need to quit mincing words and talk about truths and what it was going to be was armed revolution, people died that day. law enforcement officers died that day, there was a gala set up in front of the capitol, this could have been the spark that started a new civil war and no one would have been there , that would be good for no one. he was always looking for ways to legitimize what he was doing weather by wrapping it in the trappings of

mr. raskin, you are now recognized for five minutes. >> thank, you madam chair. nearly eight in ten americans say that the decision about whether or not to have an abortion should be left to women and their families and their health care providers. 62% of americans say that they support a nationwide law protecting a woman's right to choose consistent with roe v. wade. including not just the vast majority of democrats but 57% of independents that 47% of republicans, although they don't appear to have much voice in the republican caucus today. but there's lots of republicans who agree with us, that this is a choice that belongs to women, girls and their families. that is the vast majority of the american people. now, we want a nationwide law which caught of roe v. wade as a woman's right to choose, because we believe this is fundamentally a question of freedom, personal freedom and autonomy. they want a nationwide law, which makes it a crime to have an abortion anywhere, in any case, including where women and girls have been raped or are victims of incest. that fol

mr. raskin? >> as i understand, in the gentleman's point, he said that the gentleman from rhode island had impugned his false statements and perhaps the gentleman from brown would say he doesn't impugn his false statements. >> i don't think mr. gilmore made any statements. i think the report where we are repeating -- reported to this committee the headlines of five documents that said those claims are false. those are what the documents say. i'm not going to change the words of the documents. and i'm not impugning them, and simply putting into the record those documents that in fact refused to claim. >> the gentleman said that the ranking member grossly mischaracterized the statements and -- >> that's not the breach of decorum, that's a statement. in my opinion, he grossly mischaracterized the contents of the doj memo. that's absolutely appropriate. >> impugn's intention. >> no it does not! it doesn't impede anybody's intention. >> you've gotten so used to making statements that are outside the r

mr. raskin is indicated publicly, we are looking at the connections between the various extremist groups. this wasn't just an event that unfolded. it was planned. who did the planning, and who were they connected with, how did it unfold, and i think we will be connecting dots. it'll be new information that has not yet been learned. i think it'll be worth watching. >> and as the january six panel digs for more evidence, pointing to trump's direct a lot role on the insurrection, the former guy will be campaigning for candidates and raising cash. tomorrow, while lawmakers are grilling his former white house counsel, guess will he'll be? the state of nevada, at a rally for gop candidates for senate governor. in the washington post now reporting that trump has found a new line of work. he is now giving speeches to supporters who pay to see him. the post says this new venture allows trump to raise money that doesn't have to go to his political action committee. what does that mean? it means he gets to pocket the cash for himself. meanwhile, we are tracking the fallout from the dramatic announce

mr. raskin is indicated probably.oking at the connections between the various extremist groups. this wasn't just an event that unfolded. it was planned. who did the planning, and who were they connected with, how did it unfold, and i think we will be connecting dots. it'll be new a formation that has not yet been learned. i think it will be worth watching. >> what's is the expected timeline for the public section of this? you know, should we anticipate -- is there gonna be some kind of closure, things wrapped up, in the committee do you suspect that there will be additional public, hearings and maybe some later on? how should we think about that? >> well i think we announced at the very beginning that we intend to have a report. and they report will be after the public hearings. so i think towards the fall would be a good guess. we will lay out everything that we found out. as others have mentioned, people are continuing to come in with new information. some of them is valuable, some of it is not, but it takes a while

mr. raskin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. to put down a rebellion against the united states, and i want to get your thoughts about this in the context of your prior relationship with stewart rhodes. i understand that you had conversations with rhodes about the insurrection act. why was he so fixated on that, and what did he think it would enable the oath keepers to do? >> well, i think it gave him a sense of legitimacy that it was a path forward to move forward with his goals and agendas. i think we need to quit mincing words and just talk about truths and what it was going to be was an armed revolution. i mean, people died that day. law enforcement officers died that day. there was a gallo set up in front of the capitol. this could have been a spark that started a new civil war, and no one would have won there. that would have been good for no one. he was always looking for ways to legitimize what he was doing, whether by wrapping it in the trappings of it's not a militia, it's a community preparedness team. we're not a mili

mr. raskin speak and he is saying the secretary of defense says donald trump did not ask for any help oni just saw james miller, the secretary of defense outright said that is not true. he was right at the meeting with a few other people in donald trump did ask for 20,000 troops that day. heard it right from the guys mouth. host: did you hear it in an interview? caller: yes. i'm not sure which station i saw it on. he said -- james miller said that is not true. trump did ask for those people, 20,000. host: either he made a misstatement there or made a misstatement in his sworn testimony to the committee, regardless, which of those statements do you believe is the truth? caller: that is just the problem anymore. who is telling the truth? all i can say is the state of our country with the democrats having full power, how can anybody be happy with what is going on around us? i see a lot of it on tv and it is amazing. the country is in such disarray and i do not trust any of them whatsoever. the border, 3 million will have come in by the end of the year. it is terrible. they are all corrupt.

mr. raskin? >> as i understand, in the gentleman's point, he said that the gentleman from rhode island had impugned his false statements and perhaps the gentleman from brown would say he doesn't impugn his false statements. >> i don't think mr. gilmore made any statements. i think the report where we are repeating -- reported to this committee the headlines of five documents that said those claims are false. those are what the documents say. i'm not going to change the words of the documents. and i'm not impugning them, and simply putting into the record those documents that in fact refused to claim. >> the gentleman said that the ranking member grossly mischaracterized the statements and -- >> that's not the breach of decorum, that's a statement. in my opinion, he grossly mischaracterized the contents of the doj memo. that's absolutely appropriate. >> impugn's intention. >> no it does not! it doesn't impede anybody's intention. >> you've gotten so used to making statements that are outside the r

mr. raskin that were, you know, inside what you are actually investigating.that's why i had to ask that. let me just move on. is what speaker pelosi knew regarding potential threats in her preparation, or lack thereof, something that is off the table? is that something that could be investigated as well by the og? >> i'm not gonna discuss anything about that ongoing investigation. when i can tell you is, it's our obligation at the justice department to uphold the rule of law. it's what distinguishes us from dictatorships and autocracies. a central tenet of the rule of law is that no one, no matter status, is above the law. we will continue to pursue the facts and apply the law in the course of our investigation of the january 6th attack. >> my 30 seconds. i wanna go back to my colleague from rhode island pointing out that biden's doj has -- a choice act. even after the revisions, several national security officials have raised concerns that the bill could limit u.s. tech companies ability to fight cyber threats and other national security risks. are you aware

sarah bloom raskin: tommy's teacher, mrs. webb. jamie raskin: oh, i read that one.t a great mall, jamie raskin: after we lost tommy, we got thousands and thousands of letters. a lot of them were coming from people who knew tommy or people who were moved by tommy's poetry. it was just an overwhelming and affecting thing. (jamie sighs) president biden: in my first act as president, i'd like to ask you to join me in a moment of silent prayer to remember all those who we lost in this past year to the pandemic. we will honor them by becoming the people and the nation we know can and should be. ♪ jamie raskin: we were not the only family in that god awful year to lose a family member. if you add up covid-19, opioid deaths, gun violence, and all of the other normal causes, millions of people lost loved ones. we are indeed surrounded now by american carnage. ♪ mamá, growing up... you were so good to me. you worked hard to save for my future. so now... i want to thank you. i started investing with vanguard to help take care of you, like you took care of me. te quiero, mamá.

mr. raskin, i don't want to upstage. him let me say, there has been a lot of alarmist rhetoric here today. the really has. i'm going to ask miss warbelow, something you said earlier really struck me. you lamented are dusty old founding documents. you expect your obvious disdain for the founders who drafted them. that's how it was received here. i'm not sure if that's what you intended. are you aware, let me say, would you agree that america is indeed the most successful, most powerful, miss phoniness re-nation in the history of the? world >> i would agree that america is in critically apart and country. one that i love. it has made mistakes. it continues to make mistakes. as americans, we need to come together. to correct those mistakes. i apologize if what you took away was a critique of our founders. my critique is at the founders were not representative of the people of the united states. >> sure, let me, let me quote reclaim i time. but they did acknowledge that we are in the process of making a more perfect union. t

mr. raskin. >> as i understand the gentleman's point he said the gentleman from rhode island had impugned his false statement. and perhaps the general from rhode island with a does not impute his false statement? >> i don't think he made any statements print think the it repeating a reporting to committee the headlines of five documents that said those claims are false but that's what the documents say. not quite a change the words of the document. and night and i am not impugning them for instantly putting into the record this documents that in fact refute the claim for. >> the gentleman said the ranking member grossly mischaracterized the statements. >> is not a breach of decorum it is an accurate statement. >> in my calculation he grossly mischaracterized as the conduct the d.o.j. memo. >> intention too. >> it is not impugn it anything about his intention. >> you've gotten so used to making statements that are outside the rules off decorum. that you do not even recognize when you do. you cannot just constantly maligned people on the site of the aisle. >> madam chair are you prepared to

mr. raskin, is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chair. after the washington post exposÉ of decades of sexual harassment and fatigue, dense nighter announced he'd be conducting an independent investigation into the toxic workplace culture. then, when allegations surfaced, implicating mr. snyder himself, the nfl said it is taking over the investigation, so far so good. then, in september of 2020, mr. go dell, you entered into a secret common interest agreement with dan snyder's team to share information about the investigation, which included an investigation into his own conduct. you never told the women who are participating in interviews with miss wilkinson that there was this secret agreement to share information. so, now, mr. snyder got access to these interviews. how is that protecting the privacy and confidentiality of the women, which you have asserted is your key value here? >> well, common interest agree with, i'm not an attorney, it is a legal document the hottest the commanders investigation to the leak investigation. it is an a

mr. raskin, as he said, we just showed a small part of the evidence we gathered through our investigationll continue to dig into that and make these connections, fill out that venn diagram of where this information was flowing, who was in the sphere of these people and it just, like i mentioned earlier, it's clear danger that still exists today. >> as you're speaking, i'm thinking of the three pardons that trump gives out and the prominent role that the pardoned people, mike flynn, steve bannon, and roger stone play in the coup. do you have any evidence of anything that transpires around the delivering of those pardons and their roles in january 6th? >> i don't have any direct evidence. it's a great point, though. it couldn't be more clear from what we just covered in the hearing today that of the people who were pardoned, there are three key players who figured prominently in today's hearing, so it's certainly something that bears more attention. >> when you have evidence of witness tampering, and it includes donald trump, and it's made public, is it intended to put more pressure -- i me

mr. raskin said in an interview, rattling off the list of deadly hate crimes that had taken place beforehe attack on the capital. there are a number of young white men getting hyped up on racist provocation and incitement. what is your perspective on the incident that day, 2017, in charlottesville. guest: it came out of the same set of issues we are talking about. the young man who organized the march on the other protesters in charlottesville, interestingly enough, was a former obama supporter. he somehow learned or it had been taught to him that african-americans -- not african-americans, but minorities were projected to become the majority of the population, and he transformed himself into this little white rights person. it's interesting, on a personal level, that he could do that. but where this fits in is we have had a pattern in this country. when there are advances in racial progress, people get concerned about that. we saw that most emphatically in post reconstruction, when the enslaved people became freemen and the south went crazy, and ultimately managed to kick out the troops

mr. raskin and when he was asked if machine guns should be legal. and mr. massie said states should make that determination. if they want to make machine guns legal, it's somehow ok. you talk about extremism, we have seen what extremism is all about from many of my friends on the other side of the aisle and we have seen the power of the blood money that has poured into campaigns that has resulted in people coming to the floor and making us these ridiculous moments. this is a moment people have to stand up and be counted. i yield 2 1/2 minutes to the the gentlewoman from texas, ms. jackson lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized. ms. jackson lee: i thank the gentleman. we can see the lengths democrats have gone to simply try to save lives. john lewis sitting on the floor of the house afpak land and said you have got to do something, never give up, never give in and never give out. the moral authority of this congress. we failed because my friends on the other side of the aisle could not see the carnage and bloodshed that happened at parkl

mr. raskin, he's recognized for five minutes. >> thank, you mr..ister daniel, you said the suffering of the children in uvalde and other victims of ar-15s was quote, unfathomable to you. does this mean you do not understand the impact of ar-15s on human flesh and the human body? >> congressman, what i was referring to is the horrible situation that these people had to endure and -- >> do we understand the impact on human flash of your product? >> yes, sir, every firearm is capable of killing a human. >> reclaiming my time, in his important testimony today, mr. busse reference the bloody violence we experienced on january six 2021, something not mentioned by our colleagues who continue to think it is a tourist visit, and are clearly soft on criminal insurrection, and soft on criminal violence against our police officers. americans killing americans, that's a good description of what is taking place with gun violence today. on january 6th, we experienced the worst domestic insurrection against our government since the civil war. more than 150 officer

mr. raskin, for five minutes. >> mister chairman, thank you very much. when this hearing began the gentleman from ohio rattled off a list of incidents of vandalism and graffiti and -- churches taken place. and he mentioned several of them in my district. and i want to say that i denounce and i categorically reject these outrageous acts of vandalism and graffiti. break-ins against fortunate district. regardless of who did them. left, right or center. this mess and. this is not a proper way for anyone to treat other people's property or churches or to express political opposition. now, does the gentleman from ohio and who hates colleagues on that side of the aisle reject the acts of the already proven acts of murder and violence that have been taking place against doctors, nurses, police officers and health care provider is not over the last several weeks or months but over the last several decades. ? do they announce, today denounced the murder of ob/gyn doctor david gone? of pensacola, florida. who had been the subject of wanted for service by operation

mr. president, i yield the floor . >> earlier today, jamie raskin, a member of the january 6 committee, and a former federal judge joined a panel discussion on the events surrounding the u.s. capitol attack. you can watch the discussion tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. c-span now, our free mobile app, or online at c-span.org. ♪ >> c-span's "washington journal" -- every day, we take your calls live on the air on the news of the day and policy issues that impact you. coming up sunday morning, we talk about campaign 2022 with a republican poster and strategist and a democratic strategist. during part five of our series landmark legislation, the welfare reform act of 1966, we speak with historians. watch "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern sunday morning on c-span or on c-span now, our free mobile app. join the conversation with your phone calls, ace book comments, text messages, and tweets. >> c-span now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what is happening in washington live and on-demand. keep up with the day's biggest events with live streams of hearings, pol