were weren into a large -- i driven into a large hanger in the ottawa airport to the arrival of mrs. reaganprior to the departure ceremonies following their highly successful state visit to canada. president reagan and i were alone except for the security details. when her car drove in a moment later, stepped nancy and mila -- out stepped nancy and mila, looking like a million bucks. threwent reagan beamed, his arm around my shoulder, and said with a grin "you know, brian, for two irish men, we sure married up. [laughter] i mention this antidote again --because it reflects a unique reagan reality. she really, always, was on his mind. we all know of ron's love and admiration for nancy, and the elegance and constant manner in which he publicly expressed it. one day at the white house, after another absolutely flowing tribute by president reagan to his beloved nancy, i said, privately, you know, ron, you're going to get me and all the rest of us here in a whole lot of trouble with our wives. because we cannot keep up with you. [laughter] the president chuckled and look at me with that irish tw

mrs. reagan, mrs. clinton, they were a couple of smart ladies. also mrs. barbara bush. she was really a smart lady. the only thing i heard that about ms. hillary clinton was one night they were in bed on the second floor. they had pull her fruit -- bulletproof glass the slidesglth back and forth. sometimes it's got a little warm in there so they would -- i don't know whether was a present for her but they would slide the window back and the window so they could get some air. the secret service was right down under there. they were down there talking in hooting and hollering and they were having a good time because it was at night. made so ms. hillary went to the window and hollered out the window andd she said if you all don't cut that noise out, trying to get some sleep and if you don't cut that noise out you won't be working here no more. sure enough i didn't see them on that job no more.i i didn't see them. i don't know where they went bue anyway mrs. reagan, the way i described her was a pers

and i were driven into a large hangar at the ottawa airport to await the arrival of my wife and mrs. reaganior to the departure ceremonies for their return to washington following their highly successful state visit to canada. president reagan i were alone except for the security detail. when their car drove in a moment later, out stepped our wives, looking like a million bucks. as they headed toward us, president reagan beamed. he threw his arm around my shoulder, and he said with a grin, you know, brian, for two irish men, we sure married up. [laughter] i mention this anecdote again because it reflects a unique reagan reality. she really always was on his mind. we all know of ron's love and admiration for nancy, and the elegance and constant manner in which he publicly expressed it. one day at the white house, after another absolutely glowing tribute by president reagan to his beloved nancy, i said, privately, "you know, ron, you're going to get me and all the rest of us here in a whole lot of trouble with our wives. because we cannot keep up with you." [laughter] the president chuckled a

by that time time were to get back to mrs. reagan. she come in and she was sowo upset. she was worried and scared and crying. she ran over to ronnie and she asked him how are you doing ronnie? i said i'm doing fine nancy, doing fan. i'm doing great, everything is all right. so the doctors come to him and told him that he was going to have immediate surgery.. >> but what was it like at the white house when this was going on? >> everybody was scared to death. like i said with a happy feeling , everybody knew everybody. everybody concentrated concentrated on doing things for the president. whatever the president wanted he got it. we're right there. we did everything he needed, everybody did everything they needed. for instance, patricia got married in the rose garden, man we went wild, but anyway let me get back to the story, anyway they rushed him to the hospital, the doctors found out that he had to have emergency surgery and mrs. reagan, she had came in and she had to step back and he said ronnie he said i'm going to be all right. i'm going to be all right. so he looked

mr. reagan invited gorbachev to stroll through the pool house and mr. d without notice, not about arms control but of his personal feelings about reducing the level of fear and misunderstanding between the two nations. >> the main thing was that they met each other as human beings and reagan in particular had concentrated gorbachev as a person. >> it is understood that the president tried to dispel gorbachev's negative opinion and he would not budge but was not as combative as he had been recently. >> is it a good sign? >> of course it is. >> i would think so. >> i was at lunch when ronald reagan came out of his first meeting with mikhail gorbachev and he said, this is a new type of leader. >> the president will visit him next year and they have agreed to accelerate the arms talks. but the soviet leader was more negative. >> the solving of the most important problem solving the arms race and increasing hopes of peace, we didn't succeed in reaching at this meeting. so, of course, there are important disagreements on matters of principle that remain betwee

mr. reagan has finally decided that he does need a new chief of staff.erson to deal with. she could be difficult, she could be demanding. you didn't want to get on mom's bad side. he was hit in the left chest but he is in stable condition. >> the only time i saw her lose her composure was the day the president was shot. she was devastated and, in fact, she fell apart. >> i was a very good worrier. >> did he know how much you worried? >> i think so. he would refer that to me often. ♪ our love is here to stay >> nancy, who might have preferred a more private life, became the consummate political wife and first lady. >> what will you do when someone offers you drugs? >> all: just say no! >> he owed much of the success of his presidency to her. >> former president ronald reagan this afternoon released a letter to the american people disclosing that he has been diagnosed with alzheimer's disease. in his handwritten letter mr. reagan says, "i only wish there was some way i could spare nancy from this painful experience." >> he's a dear, sweet, wonderful man. >

mrs. reagan and mrs. clinton were a couple of very smart ladies even barbara bush. the only thing ever heard dad was miss hillary clinton was one night she was on the second floor bulletproof glass that slides back and forth it got a little warm so they would crack that at all for it was the president or her so it would slide that back to get some air. the secret service was under there and favor talking and having a good time but the president could not sleep but they made so much noise. miss hillary went to the window and she hollered out the window if you don't cut out the new ways you will be working there no more. sure enough i did not see them on that job no more. i don't know where they went . and ms. reagan and the way that i described her, very much in love with her husband. very much. they used to go have a diplomatic reception or to get on the plane they would always have the diplomatic reception room auletta people fought the white house said the front door and the back door. there was no back or front door because the dignitaries would come so they name

charlie: if my memory serves, mrs. reagan, the late mrs. reagan was not too happy about that. mr. tes: there were a lot of people from the reagan administration who were not too happy about it. but i think -- the other aspect of it was that the president wanted to have -- wanted to make people understood this was his administration, his presidency and not a reagan third term. this,e: finally there is other people have spoken to this, this is one of the most troubling times in recent history, when you look around the world, you look at russia being more aggressive and you look at china and where they are, when you look at tribalism and what is happening in syria and other areas of the middle east, look at north korea. this president-elect inherits a world that is very dangerous. mr. gates: charlie, i think the international environment today is as complex as we have encountered perhaps since the end of world war ii. cataclysmic kind of dangers that were posed during the cold war and the cold war against the soviet union but the many different challenges we face, each of which is dan

ofentioned the worst articles that had ever been written about you was one in which a columnist -- mrs. reagan: which one? safire compared you to edith wilson who had protected her husband. roletially, that was the that you were attempting to play -- essentially protecting him. reagan: we come back to the shooting. shot, your threats and there is nothing that can describe your husband being shot. just nothing can describe that. and the emotions that you go through. it is something that never leaves you. i mean, to this day, it never leaves you. every time -- with the increased threats, people would write and say -- he did not get him, but i will get him. you know. and every time he would walk through the door, to go out and talk to 10,000 people, my heart sank. i don't think it started rising again until he walked back. yes, that was all that i was trying to do. it was always on my mind. that this should never happen again, god for bid. >> when the press -- nancy reagan: excuse me. that was not the worst article. >> what was the worst? nancy reagan: that was the worst in washington, maybe. [la

missed by an inch. >> he told mrs. reagan, honey, i forgot to duck. >> what? >> i forgot to duck. when he got into the operating room, he looked at the doctors and he said, please tell me you're republicans. >> reagan relied on this group of advisers. jim baker as his chief of staff, a really skilled, shrewd political insider, ed meese, a counselor to the president, and michael deaver in charge of the media operations. they ran the white house. >> the assassination attempt and aftermath elevated ronald reagan's popularity to a new high. the latest nbc news/associated press poll shows his job rating jumped ten points. >> reagan understood that he was getting this sort of sympathy reaction. everybody was rooting for him all of a sudden because they didn't want him to die. they didn't want to lose a president. so without missing a step, he goes right into what the message is. we've got to get this tax and spending bill passed and we've got to do it now. >> mr. speaker, the president of the united states. everybody was so grateful that his life had been spared. it was a stirring momen

mrs. reagan and ms. clinton, they were a couple of very smart ladies. also ms. barbara bush picture was really a smart lady. the only thing i ever heard bad about ms. hillary clinton was one night they was in the bed on the second floor. they got big bulletproof glass the slides back and forth. sometimes it's got a little warm in there so they would crack, i don't know whether it was the president or her, but they would slide a little window back and they would crack the window so they could get some air. okay, the secret service was right down under their, and they would go down there talking, hooping and hollering going on, having a good time. it was at night. they made so much noise, ms. hillary, she went to the window and she hollered out the window, she said if you all don't cut noise out, i'm trying to get some sleep, if you don't cut that noise out, you won't be working there no more. and sure enough, i didn't see them on that job no more. i didn't see them. i don't know where they went. but anyway, ms. reagan, the way i describe her was a person that was

mr. reagan. and i think taking a tough stance to let him know we're not to be trifld with is a refreshing change from the last eight years where russia basically the things with impunity and weren't called on the carpet for anything. and at the beginning of the obama administration, they were looking for a reset. russian relations with the united states are terrible and anything we can do to improve those and make this world a better place, let's go forward. >> and i have to ask you. the u.s. abstained from a u.n. security council vote condemning israel for settlement activity in the west bank. what is your reaction to the move? we saw donald trump's reaction. he essentially slammed and it said there will be a knew posture come january 20th. what do you think? >> i think he's absolutely right. when i went to the middle east in that delegation, i sat across from benjamin netanyahu for two hours and listened to him tell us how under siege he is from all sides. and they're a democracy in a sea of di

mr. reagan held in high regard for its historical significance. >> the idea was to come to west point andnity outside of the real glare of the cameras to meet up with family members again. >> the hostages landed at stewart air national guard base in new york and rode buses for the short trip to west point. >> one of the things that the iranians would tell us was that this was a big deal in the united states, and we were, yeah, sure. nobody cared. you know, u.s. embassy overseas, nobody cares. >> in fact, they were under the impression they had been forgotten until that bus ride, where the impact their captivity and release had on the nation was on full patriotic display. >> americans standing at the side of the road with signs, come back, yellow ribbons, waving, and just for the opportunity in january in this part of the country to come out and see the bus go by and wave to us. wow, that -- that made an impression. >> their arrival in america coincided with a great american spectacle, the super bowl. that year in new orleans, in a superdome bedecked with a giant yellow ribbon, the eagles

mrs. reagan's funeral this -- this earlier this year and -- and talking to people about the fact that it - we were losing our icons more and more like this generation was really starting to go away. and -- and it's kind of sad because it was the greatest generation i believe. >> you're right about that. when you think about, allen thicke, "growing pains," mrs. brady, such great movies. zsa zsa gabor. these are iconic figures from a generation that some of the young folks may not even remember except for tvland but they had a very impact on many of our lives. >> also in a period of time when pop culture was exploding. you had television and movies and so you became familiar with a whole greater number of people. when they die, people like anne haggerty who you watch on grizzly adams and alan rickman, there's so many folks out there that we are familiar with because of pop culture and when they die you become more aware of it. >> also nischelle turner i mean muhammad ali. >> yes. >> you know, gosh i mean, celebrity just one of his many, many things and titles that he embodies. i mean that is

. >> rose: if my memory serves me correct, mrs. reagan, the ppy about that.n was none too >> well, there were a lot of people i think from the reagan administration who weren't too happy about it but i think you know the other aspect of it was that it-- the president wanted to have-- wanted to make sure people understood this was his administration, his presidency, and not a reagan third term. >> rose: finally there is this. henry kissinger has spoke tone t and other people that you have similar stature to have spoken to. this is one of the most troubling times in recent history. when you look around the world, you look at russia being more aggressive, you look at china and where he they are, when you look at sort of tribalism and what is happening in syria, what is happening in areas of the middle east, look at north korea this president-elect inherits a world that is very, very dangerous. >> charlie, i think the international environment today is as complex as we have encountered, perhaps since the end of world war ii. not so of the cat

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mrs. reagan's funeral. there is a few minutes of the remarks from reagan carbon maker -- camden member james baker. the cold war that president reagan did so much to end brought them together. in 1950, the name nancy davis appeared on a list of communist sympathizers with the hollywood blacklist is now that this was a different person and not the young actress? she took her problem to her union boss, the president of the screen actors guild, ronald reagan. they had met at a hollywood restaurant. the dinner would be brief, they agreed, because each had an early casting call. in fact, neither had an early casting call. [laughter] an early casting call was the standard hollywood excuse to put a quick end to unpleasant dinners. but when i opened the door, she wrote later, i knew he was the man i wanted to marry. >> do you think that ronald reagan could have been elected president without nancy reagan? >> oh. [laughter] oh, my. well, i think i may have helped a little, maybe? i hope so. [applause] you can see all

mr. president reagan. thank you both. oh, this is so tiring. so tiring.president obama asked himself, why is it that fox news is on in all those bars and restaurants that completely ignores as just apparently lunatics who want to consume false propaganda all day. maybe because it is the most trusted news source for more americans than any other aenl people actually are open-minded and want to hear the issues discussed without a liberal bias. mark teason, your thoughts? >> absolutely. and the irony is that he complained to fox news to rolling stone magazine. the people behind the fake uva rape scandal. they were just found guilty of defamation in a federal court. so he went to rolling stone to complain about fox news journalism. >> can i interrupt you here. >> yeah. >> and while talking to rolling stone, ding of defamation at the moment thanks to that judgment. he said this, listen to what you said to rolling stone magazine without any hint of irony. listen. >> if we are not serious about facts and what's true and what's not, then we have problems. >> okay

mrs. reagan. who earlier this year passed him,and was buried next to together forever.n their 31st wedding anniversary he wrote -- i'm more than love you, i am not hold without you. you are life is out to me. when you are gone, i waiting for you to return so i can art living again. how many of you have gotten a love note like that? a couple of you. look at that. there are some great gentleman out there. i want you to think about and write down a person or a woman who bring light to you. it may be people that inspire you. i want you to think about that today. for me, this is my children and for the purpose of today, my daughters. every day i want to go home and i want to hug my kids. there was a poll that bothered me about people who look at our country and say -- this country will be worse off for my children than it was for me. for me, the work that we do here is saying -- that is not acceptable. how can you look at your child and a -- i am working at a world that will not be as good for you. for me, it is my children. if they deserve it, so does every child in every t

let's go to deputy secretary of the interior under ronald reagan. mr. barrick, welcome to the show. >> thank you. good to be here. >> there is something i left out and i thought katy tur did a good job of putting this in. one thing donald trump doesn't like is a waffler or a pushover, that he prefers someone he disagrees with if they show strength than somebody when won't express their opinion this front of him. is that a fair statemen >> absolutely. look, i think an ey way to look at it is the similarities to ronald reagan. and ronald reagan, when he came to office, was a bit of an anomaly. he was a californian, everybody hated it. he was an actor, nobody understood it. he went to eureka college, nobody had heard of it. when he made his first picks, people were saying, i wonder what that's all about, because reagan didn't have the history of being able to adjudicate those kinds of decisions. but he was a very good judge of character. trump is exactly the same way. if you look at a developer or a builder, they have a vision, but they're not really the a

mr. pence: as president reagan said, it is important to be reminded, and i quote, that the federal government did not create the states, the states created the federal government. [applause] mr. pence: our states are not territorial of the federal government, they are at wellspring of vitality and reform. i should know. i come from a state that works. [applause] mr. pence: in indiana, we balance budgets and have a aaa bond rating. that is a lot better than washington dc. we passed the largest state tax cut in history. i am proud to say indiana was the first day to withdraw from common core in the midst shifting sands of ontemporary culture and law, we have stood without apology for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage and the freedom of religion. [applause] mr. pence: it is working. in our first two years in office, unemployment has dropped from 8% to 5.8%. we have seen 100,000 new private sector jobs created and at last year be that the nation in manufacturing jobs created. graduation rates are up, test scores are up and life is winning in indiana. abortion is in decline and the

mr. trump's actions in recent days remind him of his former boss, president ronald reagan. >>> before that, mr. trump used tonight's rally to announce his choice ff secretaond for secret making big news. >> we're going to appoint mad dog mattis as our secretary of defen defense. but we're not announcing it until monday so don't tell anybody. mad dog. he's great. >> joining me now, retired four star general jack king, chairman of the institute for the study of war. he recommended general mattis for the job. great to see you. so the crowd went wild, they loved mad dog mattis. i think many people continue really have an understanding of who general mattis is. tell us why you supported him and what the bottom line is that people needs to know about him? >> well he's an accomplished four-star general marine corps, battle earned stripes in iraq and afghanistan, commanded central command. so our audience went on the stand. that overseas, the most volatile and dangerous neighborhood in the world, the middle east, south asia and our friends the iranians. he has huge experience in dealing with heads

mr. trump's actions in recent days remind him of his former boss, president ronald reagan. >>> before that, mr. trump used tonight's rally to announce his choice ff secretaond for secret making big news. >> we're going to appoint mad dog mattis as our secretary of defen defense. but we're not announcing it until monday so don't tell anybody. mad dog. he's great. >> joining me now, retired four star general jack king, chairman of the institute for the study of war. he recommended general mattis for the job. great to see you. so the crowd went wild, they loved mad dog mattis. i think many people continue really have an understanding of who general mattis is. tell us why you supported him and what the bottom line is that people needs to know about him? >> well he's an accomplished four-star general marine corps, battle earned stripes in iraq and afghanistan, commanded central command. so our audience went on the stand. that overseas, the most volatile and dangerous neighborhood in the world, the middle east, south asia and our friends the iranians. he has huge experience in dealing with heads

. >>> meanwhile, top defense leaders are meeting today at the reagan library in california. mr. trump's defense secretary is getting a lot of buzz. we're going to be getting reaction from kansas center jay moran who was at the forum.

mr. pence: as president reagan said, it is important to be reminded, and i quote, that the federal government did not create the states, the states created the federal government. [applause] mr. pence: our states are not territorial of the federal government, they are at wellspring of vitality and reform. i should know. i come from a state that works. [applause] mr. pence: in indiana, we balance budgets and have a aaa bond rating. that is a lot better than washington dc. we passed the largest state tax cut in history. i am proud to say indiana was the first day to withdraw from common core in the midst shifting sands of contemporary culture and law, we have stood without apology for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage and the freedom of religion. [applause] mr. pence: it is working. in our first two years in office, unemployment has dropped from 8% to 5.8%. we have seen 100,000 new private sector jobs created and at last year be that the nation in manufacturing jobs created. graduation rates are up, test scores are up and life is winning in indiana. abortion is in decline and the

reagan is visibly angry. and just as visibly agitated was mr. gorbachev who was buzzing in the president's ear trying to get him to come back to negotiations. nine months later, reagan stood at the brandenburg gate and said, mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. i'm making that there was great concern on the heyt of the soviets that t simple he did not have either the technology, the time or the money to compete with the strategic defense initiative. they did not want the united states to have both the hammer and the shield if they did not have it. if they had only the hammer. because, among other things, they thought it tren threatened the sudden, almost overnight -- billionng obsolete 800 ruble investment in offensive weaponry on the part of the soviets. if you think about that competition for technology was youg on, and it was, asyo an international competition. so i think the stakes are perhaps higher than anyone new, it probably explains a great deal. >> absolutely. i think he speak to a great point is that at least with operation paperclip it

mr. brand-new president? ronald reagan was president and the soviets decided it would be a time to have no warning border skirmishes, standoffs over hostile territory. huge, huge military exercises. the transition to a new president is a time when america's adversaries push it. and usually we expect that just after the new president is sworn in. usually we expect that, you know, some time in the spring. well, in this transition that we're going through now, whether it's by accident or on purpose, we don't know yet, but we've got an unusual thing going on in this transition which is even though we've not yet had an inauguration, even though the current president is still in office, the incoming president has already set in motion a new foreign policy posture toward china in particular. a new foreign policy based on insult and provocation. and so this year spring has come early, and now this just happened. all right. it was in the south china sea international waters. our old friend, same ship, the bowditch, same ship that h

. >> real thing, reagan, certainly politically and historically because he made a choice to pick a really serious chief of staff. mr. president, it is not the smart thing this week. >> once you focus on jobs and staying away from the social issue stuff. nancy reagan did that, too. did trump have anybody that says don't do that? >> priebus does not have the standing or telling trump not to tweet. i don't know. >> if you start to tweet and it gets out of hand, it does not go. >> or a white house jamming. don't they have control of the communication. >> mike pence, i was adviser to mike pence and i know reince priebus very well and kellyanne conway very well. one thing you have is tact. you don't go in there and pull him in the room and blast them out. you have to walk them threw why it does not made sense. he listened to advisers and act presidential. they'll get in there this week as well. quite frankly. >> well, i think it is dangerous for the country of his politics, whether you a big aggressive or not, you don't want a president of the united states starting wars. >> he's got to be careful. >> we all agree on tha

reagan. he went to berlin and he ordered mr. gorbachev or dared him to tear down the wall, the state department was against that. from the foreign policy leiticy mr. trump, i think, again, is going to have a more muscular vision of america's role in the world and america first policy that at times will ruffle feathers but always in america's interest. >> let's listen to what former u.s. ambassador to china jon huntsman said about this call. here it is. >> the issue should be this. does taiwan deserve a little more space? we share values. we have a big economy. we trade, they have a civil society that is large and robust and mature. and we ought to be giving them more space. and if that kind of comes out of this whole discussion that people recognize that taiwan may be a little different than they thought, then maybe that should kind of create a template for the way that the new trump administration sees the region. >> and that would suggest an update to u.s. policy here. today we're also hearing as you know in a report from the

mrs. thatcher's number 10 policy unit. >> transatlantic narrowing from ronald reagan, who said the rising tide would lift all boats. that was over optimistic. it failed to provide fresh jobs in michigan, west virginia, ohio, just as it failed to provide jobs in parts that have suffered from the decline of heavy industry. crisis for a huge the left. the democrats and new labour classicsee grievance as a loser in modern progressive politics. the lack of jobs and nsportunities for youngu is horrendous. with the mass migration, the labour party, under blair in particular, the poor were getting poorer. it is unforgivable. >> i think that immigration is a big problem. i think it is a case that the wheres filling the gap labor once was for the working class. alan: they have upended the post -cold war liberal agenda. we know what we are in transition from, not yet to. alan little, bbc news laura:. the backlash against globalization on both sides of the atlantic. if you are scared of heights, close your eyes. one man that isn't is alan eustace. tea set the record for the highest parachute jump in 2014. spacesuitn -- the tha

mr. mnuchin was relating the tax cuts, the biggest since reagan. and that's all good.nd that will likely help. >> right. >> however, we would be looking for twice the productivity growth that president reagan's administration had. >> let's talk about manufacturing, because that's another part of the stool, if you will, the three-pronged stool that the incoming administration has talked about. and they say, yes, manufacturing certainly has changed over the years. but we still need to bring back more manufacturing jobs. and that will be part of the economic growth engine. >> well, certainly. that is -- again, that's going to help. it's not that this is a bad thing. that is a good thing. but to close the gap between 1% growth and 3.5% growth, i'm not sure that that's going to be able to do it, certainly on the job front. when we think about what's happening with jobs, we certainly, as china and other emerging markets have come on to the world stage, we have lost a lot of jobs to their lower cost workers abroad. that's a fact. to bring those -- what's happening right now,