mr. reardon. could you please give me a better understanding of how you define 50% of exterior elements or 25% of street-facing surfaces. does that include windows? >> that question might be more for planning, regarding the definition surrounding calculations based on wall and if that is inclusive of windows or not. >> for me a window is surface and obviously the numbers get very skewed if you eliminate window as opening, rather than just solidly built -- wall surfaces. i'm curious. >> yeah. >> like to leave that open. >> the way i read, if it's surfaces, that would be wall surfaces. and it would just be limited to the wall itself. so maybe. >> yeah. sure. so currently those similar type definitions are in the plan code, the definitions are in the building code. in the planning code, because this hasn't been cleared, the interpretation that we've made over the years is that if a window opening remains a glazed feature, even if it's changed and in the same size shape, form, it's not considered remo

mr. reardon has shown in his drawings. to do that, to replace the wall, you have to jack up the ceiling, build your wall on the floor. [bell ringing] stand it up, drop your ceiling back down, go back up again, you usually have to replace the floor joists in those houses, that everybody is talking about existing sound construction. because the 2x6 joists. you sister in new l.v.l.s. you assist them. it's a joke. you put in new ones, you leave the old existing ones there, so the building department, when they come out to see them you put new plywood on top. >> thank you. >> you move on. my time. >> if i could talk for days. >> i know. [laughter] please. [applause] thank you, everybody. two minutes, please. please remember it's two minutes. we have a lot of speakers to go through. thank you. >> hi. i'm an architect here in the city. i have my own practice. i work a lot with residential clients, that are looking to do expansions that i think are modest. but would trigger this major expansion and under this legislation would be

mr. reardon, i have a few questions for you. thank you.if we could go back to the slide -- i kind of just want to walk through it to make sure i have a really good understanding, particularly to the blind wall section of the presentation there. if you could -- if john could come up there, or somebody, and get that back to that slide area. and then i have kind of -- as i was reading last night, i was preparing the question for you. i want to be sure i have a clear understanding. in most older homes or buildings that water-proof is broken down or ripped or isn't performing anymore, can you explain to the public what happens when you take these older, leaking walls, and fill them with, say, insulation and sheet rock, as described by the code, what is likely to happen? >> so the best weig way i can kind of explain that is if you go to slide six in your package, where it shows a picture of monterey boulevard in the 1920s. when people file for permits now in regard to maybe adding a story or updating those buildings in some way, where it would i