mr. rendell, the question is tonight, herman cain, let's go to michael's next problem. e he'll do a little better. >> maybe he'll do a little better. >> mr. cain, doesn't he's got to deal with, i'm sure, he has to deal with the electrified fences. now he starts with what he says was a joke. he starts saying -- and we played the tape again. the problem is on this show we have tapes. we don't testify for these people. we let them speak for themselves. on tape as i played to the public he said maybe a fence, fence up there may be electrified and may have a sign there this will kill. then he goes and tells david gregory sunday it was a joke. >> then he goes next to sheriff joe and says i'm not apologizing for anything. just between you and i, i know we're democrats and he's going to say it's jaded, but doesn't that appear slightly inconsistent to you, governor rendell? >> well, sure it does, reverend. and i don't believe mr. cain is really a serious candidate. i don't believe he thinks he's a serious candidate, the polls notwithstanding. i want to go back, if i can, to what'