mr. rexford, by the way, thank you all for your patience. we're in the home stretch.e done in just a few minutes. can you tell me how many hotels there are in kaktovic for tourists coming in to visit anwr? are there any hotels in your town? >> yes, we do. we have one brand-new one and one small one. >> how many rooms are in it? >> 10. >> ok, thank you. >> ok, moving on here, do you think that the 2,000 acres that this bill refers to could be developed out of anwr without injuring the wildlife in this national wildlife area? >> yes. >> and do you believe that 2,000-acre footprint out of 19 million acres would destroy this place? i put quotes around "destroy this place" as one of the other witnesses said earlier. >> no, i don't. >> ok, thank you. mr. jenkins, do you seriously think -- first let me reface by some information that mr. rexford added earlier in his written testimony, the central arctic caribou herd was around 3,000, now it's up to 65,000, about a 22-fold increase. the porcupine, caribou herd is now about 169,000 strong. there are other herds apparently, and