mr. rhoades: i want to thank the kennedy school for hosting us. and eric and the belford center for providing a platform to elevate this issue. robbie stole my thunder. but this did happen to the romney campaign in 2012, it just did not get as much publicity because it was not done in a very public way. but in the fall of 2011, we were notified by the government that our campaign had been hacked by the chinese. and what it did and how it impacted our campaign was, we had to use vital, precious, hard dollars,gn money that we wanted to use to win new hampshire and iowa to upgrade our security, our cyber security. so it had a direct impact. that was money that we did not get to use when we needed it it when newt gingrich caught on fire and iowa, or rick santorum caught on fire five different times over the course of the primary. so i am well aware that is a bipartisan issue. it does not just face democrats. it is a challenge to conservatives as well. >> matt, your campaign was hacked. robbie's was hacked as well. we want to spend a lot of the time to

mr. rhoades: these campaigns are not all presidential campaigns. they are a bunch of young people who come together. they bring laptops from home. told you need to create a secure system. it is a ripe target for anyone to hack into. we are all counting on you, debbie. again,nted to mention the fact that you see these two guys sitting next to each other and working on this together, it is a pretty rare thing nowadays. it is not easy for either of them. they are taking a lot of personal risk putting themselves out there right now. you are 20 about cyber security, maybe the russians or they get a lot-- of flak for this. they have been doing a good job. thank you guys. debbie, i got to know her and seizure in real life action. she is one of the people i would say is a handful. i most admire for everything she has done. when you are in charge of defending nsa's networks, that is a hard job. we called her up and said we have this funny project. what do you think? she did not think twice. she says i am there. she has been working really hard since then. w