mr. richie will respond, mr. allen. >> yes, steve richie, assistant general manager for water. in response to the questions, the amount budgeted here in the puc's budget is 12.$4 million. that would be rate payer money. as we've talked about before, * there are two issues going on there. one is we are working with the gun club to identify if we can access any of their insurance policies from an earlier time. that will take some time and a lot of legal work. so, we need to proceed regardless. that might take several years to sort out. we should go forward to the site now. secondly -- >> the insurance companies are quick to demand our premium dollars, but very slow to give the money back. >> absolutely. as far as rec and park, actually the puc is the landowner is responsible and the puc actually initiated the lease with the lauden gun club and had them under lease for 15 years before rec and park had it delegate today them. the puc has the underlying responsibility on the property and that's why we need to go forward with it. as far as the timing of this, we are, excuse me, worki

mr. hall pleads not guilty. >> any questions? >> yeah, richieyou been up for parole in the last 18 years? >> twice. >> what's happened each of those times? >> they continued me because of something i've done. >> why would you purposely try to ditch your parole? >> because i'm scared of getting out. >> you went before parole board before? >> yes. i've been locked up for so long that i'm conditioned to this environment. >> if you didn't want to make parole, can you say i don't want to go? >> i feel like i would be ostracized. other convicts are hoping for any kind of release. it's normal. >> is that it? >> yes, sir. >> guilty of the charge. of refusal, attempt to alter a drug screen. recommend five days. assess a fee of $25. court order fine. recommend a job drop. do you want to fill this in? >> yes. >> i don't feel the $25 is appropriate. >> i can suspend that. i will suspend the $25. >> and richie would like a little time to get his affairs in order before he has to go away for five days. >> no. >> one of "ziggy's" punishments is to spend five d