mr. richie here. >> he's trying to hide from you. >> mr. richie, this is not church, you don't have to hide in the back. [laughter]. >> okay, i found this very interesting, the desalination projts comparison, could you tell me what it means so i can understand about the energy use, how they compare the different -- >> yes, in this case, we compared the bay area regional desalination projts to the santa cruz project t marine project in san diego county on an energy and cost basis, and basically what this shows is that the energy uses for the regional desalination project is lower than the others and that's gr*ifrn by the fact that we would be if we proceeded with this project, we would be desail baiting brackish water, you're getting more water per unit and having to separate out less salt so the energy usage is lower because of that, it increases because it has to go to the east bay mud system to be pumped up to get into our system, it shows the desalination cost itself is much less for that project than other projects which use ocean water

mr. hall pleads not guilty. >> any questions? >> yeah, richie have you been up for parole in the last 18 years? >> twice. >> what's happened each of those times? >> they continued me because of something i've done. >> why would you purposely try to ditch your parole? >> because i'm scared of getting out. >> you went before parole board before? >> yes. i've been locked up for so long that i'm conditioned to this environment. >> if you didn't want to make parole, can you say i don't want to go? >> i feel like i would be ostracized. other convicts are hoping for any kind of release. it's normal. >> is that it? >> yes, sir. >> guilty of the charge. of refusal, attempt to alter a drug screen. recommend five days. assess a fee of $25. court order fine. recommend a job drop. do you want to appeal this? >> yes, sir. >> i don't think the $25 is appropriate. >> i can suspend that. i will suspend the $25. >> and ritchie would like a little time to get his affairs in order before he has to go away for five days. >> no. >> one of ziggee's punishments is to s

[cheers and applause] >> richie's mom is right over there. katie: she is? >> that's mrs.here. katie: hi mrs. sambora, how are you? >> and look at her, she's going -- [cheers and applause] katie: so nice that she came. that's so sweet. >> she's nodding, going i know it. katie: what about vices, do you have any vices when you're on the road? >> yeah. katie: like what? >> leave well enough alone. katie: i know that your mom is most proud of you because you're a family man. >> is that true? katie: yes, yes, which is true. i mean you have four great kids and you're a very hands on dad aren't you? >> oh yeah, you do what you can. absolutely. very involved. [cheers and applause] katie: one of the things we were talking about, just like our pictures as little kids are public, sometimes when things that happen to our family become public. you had a scare with stephane, you oo long ago, where you got a scary call of her o.d.ing on some form of heroin. >> she's doing great. i appreciate everyone's prayers on it. in short, that problem is much more prevalant than any of us, well than