mr. rienzi irks massachusetts statute the only one of its kind? >> it's the only state statute of this kind, there are some municipal that are similar. secondly, here the police officers testified that they know all the regular players at the clinics, that's their testimony, they know them all. well, if you know them all and congregating in the doors, you should go to court injunction.nc. r the claim that they have to throw their hands up and put people in prison for enter swaysive speech is not a good claim. secondly all the evidence that sighted, allates of it, boston, saturday mornings, the claim that the extrapolate from that to ban peaceful speech in theon at other times when sidewalk is empty and at other clinics where the sidewalk is empty and say, well, there's there and where there's abortion we expect certain speech problems, therefore we're going to make it illegal to speak there. that's the state's claim here. the evidence is boston specific. the first amendment requires precision. they need to regular tult problem write has and if tha

mr. rienzi, why isn't that good enough? >> because it is not true, chris.the government wants the sisters to sign is an authorization form that authorizes and directs others to provide the drugs. what the government said in court is that we haven't quite figured out a way to make that form work today but we are still working on way to make that form work. and the way the rules are set up, that form will authorize and direct others to pay for those drugs. the sisters can't be part of it. if the form doesn't matter, the government shouldn't be making the sisters sign it. >> miss hogue, mine, that's the point that -- mr. renzy making in court. if you look at the certification, it is a contract that informs the insurer of its obligation too go ahead after the sisters opt out to provide contracepti contraception. they say that makes them complicit and a. >> i think there are few things we can agree about this case starting with the fact that the little sisters do incredible work in the world and if this case hayes one thing about it that brought their work to li

mr. rienzi, why isn't that good enough? >> because it is not true, chris.he form the government wants the sisters to sign is an authorization form that authorizes and directs others to provide the drugs. what the government said in court is that we haven't quite figured out a way to make that form work today but we are still working on way to make that form work. and the way the rules are set up, that form will authorize and direct others to pay for those drugs. the sisters can't be part of it. if the form doesn't matter, the government shouldn't be making the sisters sign it. >> miss hogue, mine, that's the point that -- mr. renzy making in court. if you look at the certification, it is a contract that informs the insurer of its obligation too go ahead after the sisters opt out to provide contracepti contraception. they say that makes them complicit and a. >> i think tre are few things we can agree about this case starting with the fact that the little sisters do incredible work in the world and if this case hayes one thing about it that brought their work

mr. rienzi at some point said it could extend from the court's bench to the back of the courtroom and the courtroom is much longer than that buffer zone. the deputy solicitor general for the obama administration supporting the state of massachusetts described it as an nba 3 point zone. >> woodruff: and we left it at that. it was left at that. >> it was. i think there is a dispute about how big 35 feet is, as well as really how much speech it actually curbs, that is the guts of the case. >> all right, marcia coyle, thank you. >> wooduff: today's arguments were closely watched by advocates on both sides of the abortion debate. and we turn to two of them now. ilyse hogue is president of naral pro-choice america and steven aden is vice president of human life issues for the alliance defending freedom, which funded this case on behalf of the abortion protester. we thank you both for being here too. ilyce hogue, to you first, why is this case important? >> well, it's incredibly important because we have tracked the movement that actually relies on harassment and intimidation and even violence,