mr. rinaldi burst with the eram program. what was the ginger. it was described as much more typical of my experience with the faa. as he you said, it was tracking the wrong airplanes. that was shutting the program done in many cases. the reason that is happening is that you didn't have a real, live testing going on with air traffic controllers. they had engineers doing it. once we had air traffic controllers involved, we had to rewrite a bunch of code. it was a lot. to change the direction we find another problem. we are not implementing it and so that problem continues. or we have a workaround, such as don't touch the abc key and then hit. regardless of who is in charge of this committee or who the faa administrator is, congress has seen how we have success. we want the latest technology and to be very successful because we want the best aviation system in the world. is this piece of equipment making it safer and more efficient in making everybody's job better? >> is from your experience chairing the committee, do you think we have seen a syste

mr. rinaldi? >> thank you, mr. chairman, ranking member costello, thank you for all of this hearing today. nextgen is a catchall phrase over the last 10 years that means everything to everybody in the aviation community. naca is proud to be involved in essentials stay cold and nextgen development and fully participate in the nextgen advisory committee. the nextgen advisory committee has done an outstanding job of assembling the elevator speech, so the second of what nextgen really is. of using satellite-based technology, streamlining approaches to reduce emissions, using this technology to reduce voice communications for voice saturation on frequencies. that's what nextgen is in the short term and near-term. we've heard a lot about eram. believe it or not eram is not considered a nextgen program. eram was mostly implemented by now. collaboration is key for nextgen to work. collaboration is key for anything to work i think in li life. but eram in 2009 when randy babbitt took over and when secretary lahood was confir