mr. rivkin, you are a brilliant light with constitution issues. but you confuse me with the answer to the woman from chico, california. how does this not affect apportionment in the electoral college? isn't everything based on the census as far as representation goes? there are no 11 or 12 million illegals in this country. it's closer to 40 million illegals in this country. so i need a better answer from , you regarding that, because to me, it doesn't make sense. how do we base apportionment, how do we base the electoral college if not for this census? guest: thank you. for the kind reference. the current law is using the total person baseline. think about it this way. the census numbers are going to come in, i assume a citizen question will be on it, and it will have two sets of numbers for each state. it will say say this many citizens and this many noncitizens. those numbers would be aggregated. let's say the citizen number is 10 and noncitizens is two. 12 would be the total baseline going into it. the supreme court, in a case called even wheel

mr. rivkin that a lot of this has to be litigated. briefly, people in the country have been the standard by which the stances -- by which the census has been taking. this is part of a new political argument. i get that. it is going to end up being litigated. as chief justice roberts said in his opinion, upholding the question the -- census on aps -- on the apa side, history ought to matter no matter how you think about it. you asked me a slightly different question, which is the policy question. i think it is probably a bad idea. are representatives -- they represent people in their districts regardless of why they are there. i think it is probably from a policy viewpoint, a bad idea. but that is my analysis. i know others have a different view. i know it is a strong argument point by conservatives. >> i suspect the other two panelists may want to speak to that question specifically. good idea or bad idea. and, constitutional or unconstitutional? voters innly eligible terms of districting in state and local district. federal is a diff