mr. robertson let's start with you.k about the issue you of human trafficking, paint the picture that our audience understands, we are not talking about gray areas here, these are modern day slaves, or even worse sex slaves. >> yes, we are talking about trafficking for all purposes. we are talking about a situation where people base -- or forced labor for a various numbers of issues. >> does the list include countries that turned a blind eye to child slavery? if so, what age are we talking about here? >> well, children are in slavery all around the world. whether in the cotton fields of uzbekistan or travel ed in to sexual slavery in thailand and malaysia. children as young as four and six can sometimes be found picking cocoa in ghana and other countries in west africa. even though there are many efforts young children are involved and put in to forces labor. >> these nine senators, why if the united states is this beacon of freedom is there a debate in this country about whether a country does or does not engage in hum

. >>> mr robertson, i'll start with you this time. i have seen sometimes that there's between 20 and 30 million human slaves. 80% are women, is that true. >> it's a hart thing so say, you have difficulty estimating a hidden trade, a trade that prides itself on the long numbers. we stayed away because pacific cases - we don't need to look at large numbers. people that we saw, they are trafficked under thai fishing fleets. they are heard in an evasive way. and that is what is happening now. >> is it true that there are more slaves now than ever before in human history? >> with the numbers that the international labour organization put out. 21 million slaves at any one time that is the case there's more slaves now than ever. if you look at - going back to malaysia, in one of your set up pieces, there's an estimated 4 million migrants in malaysia, and one suggested that up to 30% of those 4 million are in a diseefr labour exploitation. these are huge numbers, and the cases are shocking. i agree with phil that the numbers ask the painful e

mrs. robertson occupied a bedroom on the third floor so everything was set for her.hen they came in, it was done. >> [inaudible] >> five hours. >> and they had everybody -- >> [inaudible] [laughter] >> a hundred people, right? i mean, practically the whole staff gets involved in it. >> the whole staff and some volunteers. my son showed up as a volunteer. >> he did? >> oh, it was an honor for him to move furniture in the white house? >> who did? >> his son. >> my son. >> oh, okay. >> yes. >> there any parts of the residence that simply don't change by tradition? >> yes. yeah. that's an excellent question, because the move really entails the second and third floor. that's the private quarters for the first family. what we call the state floor and the ground floor really go largely unchanged because that's the floor that has the most historic pieces, and that's what the tourists are used to seeing. the historians guard that really closely, and it takes a lot for a first lady -- except mrs. kennedy was very successful in changing it but she did some beautiful changes. so

mrs. robertson, i understand your grandmother was very kind and even helped raise you, but that didn't keepou from getting a scolding from her when you missed a weekly family event? ann cleveland robertson: that's true. [laughter] that was the soul of my grandmother. well, this one incident happened on a sunday night in new hampshire in tamworth, where we go in the summer. and on sunday nights, we used to get together. the finley family, who introduced my grandmother and grandfather to tamworth, and the cleveland family, we would get together and sing hymns. and we all really enjoyed that. but each person had their own favorite hymn. but one sunday, i got together with a whole group and went bowling with my cousin and our square dancing friends and, you know, had a very good time. and i didn't think there was anything terribly malicious about that. but mrs. finley was my godmother, also my grandmother's closest -- one of her closest friends, and she called my grandmother the next day and said, "where was ann during the hymn singing? " and so my grandmother called me to her desk, and she sai

mr. robertson? >> after you. >> you're next in line. >> you know, just on the freedom of information act, fritz, i think there's some greater hope than perhaps i started out with. i'm thinking of the d.c. circuit and the second circuit both in foia lawsuits seeking transparency about the administration's targeted killing policy and the use of drones. one circuit said it was implausible that the cia does not have an intelligence interest in the program and that the cia could not invoke a -- neither confirm or deny response. i think it's very encouraging that the second circuit ruled as it did last year where it recognized that when administration officials campaigned to convince the public that a program is lawful and effective and wise and seek to justify that, they cannot seek to withhold the bases for their decision and ordered the release of a memo that justified the targeted killing of the u.s. citizen. and i think far more needs to be done. i think we need just not only the legal memos. we need

mr. clement also received earlier about the robertson v. baldwin. we have to look at how heller defines the second amendment. he tells us the right to bear arms as using the second amendment is to wear, bear or carry upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket. for the purpose of being armed and ready. those are two separate categories of carrying. upon the person, we can imagine is open carrying, or in the clothing or in a pocket. that sounds like concealment. so heller recognized in its definition of the term bear arms that concealed carry can in fact be one way of exercising that right. and then of course, as my colleague argued earlier the heller opinion made clear as did or opinions that the state can regulate the manner in which guns are carried. because the state can regulate the manner in which they are carried the state can tell people you may not open or conceal carry. we don't have a claim we are entitled to carry in any particular manner. my clients will take what they're given by the legislature. if the legislature says you can't

robertson. >> >> i associate myself and the scottish national party with all the tribute and condolences to the families and friends everyone caught up in the tragedy in tunisia. mrause of the way the united kingdom is structured, decision on health education and much english legislation has an effect on the scottish budget. will the prime minister confirmed he plans to exclude scottish mps from parts of the democratic process of westminster that will have an impact on scotland? >> the point i would make to the honorable gentleman is mps from english mps are entirely excluded from any discussion of scottish health or scottish housing or of scottish education. what we are proposing is actually a very measured and sensible step which says wind is -- which says that when there is a bill that only affects for instant england, the committee stage should be of english mps but then the whole house will vote at report stage and ended at third reading state. what this is going to introduce, as it were, is a system for making sure that the wishes of english mps cannot be overruled. that i think is only fair a system when the scottish parliament and the welsh part -- and th