mr. rodriguez? >> guillermo rodriguez. the department of the environment was awarded a grant of $180,000 to support the implementation of the existing commercial building performance ordinance. it was adopted in february of 2011 and requires each commercial building 10,000 square feet or greater to annually report the energy performance, conduct an energy audit every five years, and direct the department of the environment to make transparent all of those findings. the grant funds will be used to support the implementation of the program and promote the collaborative effort in making sure that we can have a robust program. the department thinks the foundation for their support of this program. supervisor mar: any questions? let's open this up for public comment. is there anyone from the public that would like to speak? public comment is closed. can we move this forward without objection? can we do this? great. thank you. miss miller, item number four, without objection ahead of item number two. >> to consolidate eating and

mr. rodriguez is. there he is right there, jose rodriguez. it was just a year ago that the navy seal team 6 went in there and rather than capture bin laden, they killed him and now, you know, they brought all the hard drives and everything else and it looks as though there was a connection between usama bin laden, the commander of the taliban and he hadn't been really seen since 2001 presumably he was in pakistan and also ayman al-zawahiri. the three of them were triangulating what al-qaida would do. they were in communication. >> the question is -- do you have peace talks in cutter with members of the taliban and pretend they don't have relationships with al-qaida when it's in bin laden's own journals how close they were, how they were plotting together. they never loved each other but after the invasion, after they were forced from power, they realized they had to work together closer than ever. >> as the campaign moves forward and we have an election in november, one of the things that we thought we'd see a lot of in a president obama ad w

mr. rodriguez and others who left government positions prior to the ubl operation and are not privy to allintelligence th, saye torture were a central part of the success are misguided and misinformed. >> first of all, thank you for invite manage glee pleasure to have you here. >> as you know, the senate investigation has been going on for 2 1/2 years. it is a very partisan investigation. the republicans left a year ago, or maybe longer than that. i have no doubt of what i say in the book, that the basis for the eventual takedown of bin laden, the original information regarding the courier, came from high value detainees that were captured in 2004 and 2005. it took ten total years to get bin laden. but that was the key information that was obtained that allowed our men to pursue the courier. it took another two or three years after that to get -- >> to connect with the courier that led them to osama bin laden. i want to bring in john miller. also what's coming out of this is the sense that the fbi interrogated some of these and thought they had information. and then when the cia took it ov

mr. rodriguez suggests, if we were able to capture people we would get far more information about the networkhich would lead to the collapse of that network and we are not doing that because we don't want to violate the southern i of pakistan. i think that policy is wrong, but that's where we are. bill: what do you think or did waterboarding in your view lead to the discovery of finding and capturing and killing of usama bin laden? >> i don't know. i'm reading reports like you do. i believe the leaders who say that that kind of interrogation technique, particularly with ksm and the information they got from him prevented subsequent attacks. whether it led to the capture of bin laden, i don't think so. what led to the killing of bin laden, not the capture, was a counter terrorist unit and the analysts on that unit and got to the know everybody who were secondary and tertiary. i think it's one of the most masterful intelligence operations we ever conducted. bill: general, thank you. jack keane from los angeles. general thanks to you for your time today. see if you person soon. martha: mitt romn

mr. rodriguez says that look, we've had at least ten incidents of people giving up good information.est it is does work in some circumstances, can you at all define what those circumstances would be? is it just the individual on whom these technique are being performed? >> the problem is, we have no idea. you've just heard the ten intanss where it worked. how many instances did it not work. how many instances did we get information that was incorrect, unreliable, mistaken. think that's the calculation we need to be making. how many times did this fail, versus how many times did it succeed? if it succeeded less times than it failed, i'm sorry, the math just isn't there. that's the problem with the calculus that nobody has been doing. a zubaydah gave us all sorts of information about terrorist plots, nom of which came to fruition. none of which appeared to have actually been taking place. quiet is, is the math really there? jose rodriguez is entitled to his opinion, but i'm not sure that the math is there. >> so here we are, a year after the death of osama bin laden. where is al qaeda?

mr. mayor, that's how i sum your of behavior up. >> i appreciate what people are saying. it's a little over the top. my real heroes last night were detective duran and rodriguez. they acted so quickly and varkted and got themself out of harm's way. >> that woman is incredibly lucky to be alive and i'm sure she'll reflect on that next time she talks to you. if we could move on and talk about the trayvon martin george zimmerman has been arrested and is in custody. what is your view, as a mayor of a big city in mark, of the "stand your ground" law? >> well, somebody that lives in the state of new jersey where we don't have such a law, i don't see that it's necessary. you don't have people not using deadly force for some reason where a law like that would have advantaged them. i'm suspicious of its need and i think it creates situations where a person can shoot first and not have to explain their behavior. but i want to say something. the gun battle in america is really out of control and very frustrating to me. this is a situation where i believe there was a deep injustice done and now it seems like the wheels of justice are working in the right way. swri no wor

mr. mayor. >> i appreciate what a lot of people are saying. it's a little bit over the top. the real heroes in my book last night were detective duran and detective rodriguezho acted so quickly, evacuated the house, put themselves in harm's way. >> i absolutely agree with that. all of you were heroes last night. that woman is incredibly lucky to be alive. i'm sure she will reflect that when she next talks to you. if we could move on just to briefly discuss the trayvon martin case. there's a lot of contention now. george zimmerman's obviously been arrested and charged with second-degree murder. there's a rising debate not about the race aspect of this, but about the stand your ground law which exists now in nearly half the states in america. what is your view as a mayor of a big city in america of the stand your ground law? >> i'm somebody who lives in the state of new jersey where we don't have such a law. i don't see that it's necessary. you don't have people not using deadly force for some reason where a law like that would have advantaged them. i'm very suspicious of its need. and i think it creates situations often where a person can shoot first and re