mr. rogers: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from ohio. mr. latta: i thank the gentleman for yielding, madam speaker. and last night we were in rules, i believe a very important amendment that we offered, it was really to save jobs and it is also to really put a hold on what's happening with homeland security and also what was going on with the folks as customs always trying to put forward a regulation, a rule that's going to put americans out of work and it's also at the same time not only put americans out of work but we're looking at 35 million americans having a certain type of knife. i don't believe that the rules should be done that congress in 1958 defines what a certain type of knife was. last night, of course, we were there and we shouldn't have been there, we should have been here with an amendment on the floor and on the rules committee. because this is important because, again, as i said, this is going to cost jobs. jobs at the buck knife company up in the northwest part of the united states, hundreds of jobs. it's estimated that o

mr. rogers. our subcommittee on homeland security is a, i think, a terrific example on how the congress ought to operate. i am one of the most dedicated fiss -- fiscal conservatives in the house. our subcommittee is made up of people with very strong beliefs from both sides of the aisle. but we don't work in that committee with regard to party. we don't even mention party labels. i have done my best to really erase that term from my language and focus on what's fiscally conservative and fiscally liberal. but this committee really has focused on what's good for the nation. we have worked together in a way that is, i think, has -- i hope the leadership of the congress would use the work of this subcommittee, the work of all the subcommittees on appropriations as a model. it's an important -- it's important, i think, for this congress in this time of record debt and deficit do what's right for the country, do what's right for our kids and our grandchildren and focus on ways to be fiscally responsibl

mr. rogers: madam speaker, i have a motion to recommit at the desk. the speaker pro tempore: is the gentleman opposed to the bill? mr. rogers: in its present form. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman qualifies. the clerk will report the motion. the clerk: mr. rogers of kentucky moves to recommit the bill to the committee on appropriations with instructions to report the same back to the house forthwith with the following amendment. on page 2, line 18, after the dollar amount insert, reduce by $50 billion. on page 52, line 19, after the first dollar amount, insert increase by $50 million. on page 52, line 21, after the dollar amount, insert increase by $50 million. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. members and staff will take their seats. members in conversations will remove them from the floor. members in the center aisle will sit down. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized for five minutes. mr. rogers: madam speaker, since the majority has shut out nearly all of the minority from offering legitimate and well reasoned amendme

mr. rogers: madam chairman. the chair: the gentleman from kentucky. mr. rogers: i yield myself such time as i may consume. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. rogers: let me start, madam chairman, by commending the chairman on putting together a thoughtful bill. i also want to sincerely thank him for listening to our concerns on this side and for continuing this subcommittee's traditions of bipartisanship and professionalism. . however, i must express my grave concern ompe an issue that casts a long and sad shadoove over this important bill. the fact that we are not here today debating this bill under an open rule. that breaks with long cherished traditions concerning appropriations bills. and i, for one, am outrage that had today's debate on the critical issue of homeland security has been arbitrarily constrained. such dictatorial tactics are contrary to the purpose of this chamber and our legislative process. and to add insult to injury, the majority also denies the ability of a hard-working member of our subcommittee, the gentleman from californ

mr. rogers, mr. calvert and mr. kingston wanted us to be able to address. i personally believe that while i support e-verify, i believe that the bill that i worked on, h.r. 98, which would establish a smart counterfit proof social security card would end the magnet which draws people into the country illegally, but i think that e-verify is an important step in dealing with our security. under the process, madam speaker, as you know very well, we could address all of these issues, all of these issues from both democrats and republicans could have been considered but unfortunately it ain't going to happen. one of the most senior members of this institution once said, and i quote, we have gotten so far from the regular order that i fear that the house will not have the capacity to return to the precedence and procedures of the house that haveiven true meaning to the term representative democracy. the reason that we have stuck to regular order as long as we have in this institution is to protect the rights of every member to participate. and when we lose those

mr. rogers for their collaboration. with that, i'm going to yield become. the chair: the gentlewoman from texas yields back. the gentleman from washington. mr. hastings: i yield myself the balance of the time. i thank my colleague for her thoughtful remarks and working with us. agri business is big and the cherry season is in a tight time frame and it is important that nothing slows down the process of getting these cherries to market. i thank my friend from guam for endorsing this amendment. i urge my colleagues to vote for the amendment. the chair: the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from washington. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion the e of the chair, the ayes have it and the amendment is agreed to. it is now in order to consider amendment number 13 printed in house report 111-127. for what purpose does the gentleman from north carolina rise? butt combut i have an amendment at the desk. the clerk: amendment number 13 printed in house report 111-127 offered by mr. butterfield of north carolina. the chair: purs

mr. rogers and i'd be happy to yield to my chairman, mr. price. mr. rogers: i think the gentleman would be derelict in his duties to the congress and the people of his district and the country if you didn't make these efforts to help the people that you represent. that's not a unique thing to try to help the people that you represent in the u.s. congress. and i salute the gentleman. mr. culberson: in a fiscally conservative way, i might add. i'm proud to yield to mr. price. mr. price: i thank the gentleman for yielding and i'd like to add my word of commendation for looking out for his people, looking out for his home area and crafting an amendment that is responsive to some very real perils and i just say once again, these proposals have been vetted by fema. there's no question they underwent rigorous scrutiny and this is consistent with the stafford act and will protect lives and reduce property damages in this locate so i commend him for his advocacy. mr. culberson: thank you, mr. chairman. i'd also like to say that each member of congress as i have

mr. rogers from michigan, an f.b.i. agent who went to afghanistan, god bless him for taking the time for the oversight who serves on the intelligence committee, had a very important amendment regarding an apparent policy initiative by this administration to expand the practice of reading miranda rights to detainees in the custody of u.s. armed forces in afghanistan. it's called global justice. mr. rogers wanted to talk about that and offer an amendment whether we would pass it or not he had every right to do so. now mr. rogers and other members have legitimate concerns about such policies. he simply wanted the opportunity to offer his amendment and let the house vote. he complied with the printing requirement he testified late last night, sat up there late into the night, until 12:30 or 1:00 in the morning, testified at the rules committee and yet now he is unable to even offer this amendment that deals with the whole fundamental issue of the war on terror, what's taking place in afghanistan and all these issues. closin

mr. rogers. >> thank you mr. chairman, congratulations commissioner, breyer confirmation and i look forward to working with you on the difficult issues ahead. i'm glad we're focused on food safety and we can all agree that the fda needs more resources to protect the food supply and strengthen public health. i am concerned however, this might be a ready shoot a man event, we just passed a fairly onerous bell and added authority to the fda that had a huge loophole in it that allow tobacco regulation to be barred from the general fund of the fda. so you have this whole of it millions and millions of dollars of which are going to have to try to apply to thousands and thousands of the regulators at the same time try to improve food safety and i can't think of anything more important than our food supply -- by hat is off to you commissioner on the challenge of what you have accepted it as we all know the fda is currently unable to inspect the majority of the facilities. worse many high-risk facilities have gone without

mr. rogers: i simply want to join my chairman in opposition to the amendment for the reasons that he said. mr. price: i thank the chairman. now yield to mr. rothman. mr. rothman: thank you, madam chairman. first i'd like to thank chairman price and ranking member rogers and my fellow subcommittee members for their leadership on this entire homeland security legislation and for their support for this project. as you know the department of homeland security reviewed this project and had no objection to it. this is a good bill and a good project. mr. flake's amendment would remove funding for this project that would otherwise help local, state, and federal emergency response agencies better communicate and coordinate the aftermath of of a terrorist attack or natural disaster. my district is across the river from the -- where the twin to youers in new york city. we know firsthand the difficulties that arose in that terrible tragedy because of the inoperability, the lack of communication technologies, working together, among police, fire, and other emergency services. there was a landmark publ

mr. rogers, mr. calvert, others who want to have a chance to stand up and guess what, madam speaker, they unfortunately are denied that in this process. justice felix frankfurter in 1943 made the following statement. he said the history of liberty is largely due to the history of procedural safeguards. now, madam speaker, i believe that the federal government is too big and spends too much as our leader boehner regularly says. i believe we should have a right to bring about those reductions so we can get our economy back on track to ensure that americans aren't going to lose their jobs, their businesses, and their homes. and we are denied that chance today. but, i want to say to my democratic colleagues and my republican colleagues, madam speaker, we have an opportunity , and it is before us right now. all we need to do is vote no on the previous question and what will happen? we'll be continuing the 220-year tradition of appropriations under an open amendment process. if we can defeat the previous q

mr. rogers from michigan. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan is recognized for two minutes. mr. rogers: my appreciation to your years in the house, my congratulations and great success in your new endeavor. i agree, madam speaker, with president obama and warren buffett. under this bill, quote, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket. under this bill we cite the single largest energy tax in the united states history. warren buffett called it a huge tax. very poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity, end quote. last night in my district a utility company calculated its estimate of what this bill will cost the families in my district. it will increase their electric rates by $2,500 a year. not your statistics from those who don't live in a place like michigan. $500 a year. and that doesn't incorporate the fact that their clothes will now be more expensive, their groceries will not be more expensive, their school supplies will now be more expensive. if you haven't noticed, pe

mr. rogers. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from alabama is recognized for two minutes. mr. rogers: thank you. i offer my reluctant support to the consumer assistance to recycle and save act. all of us have witnessed the devastation witnessed by the automotive sector. in my home state of alabama, as well as other states, workers have lost their jobs or had their hours cut. many hardworking dealers have simply had to be forced to close their doors. to stimulate the auto sector we must work to stimulate credit markets and restore consumer confidence. that's why i recently introduced my bill the consumer auto relief act. unlike the bill we're considering today my bill would help all sectors of the automotive industry. in addition to helping families, the bill will help incentivize lenders to finances new vehicles. the -- to finance new vehicles. unfortunately, my bill's wasn't on the floor today. nonetheless, despite m reservations about h.r. 2751, i believe passing it is better than doing nothing. but not by much. i offer my support for the bill and i urge its passage. i yield

mr. rogers, who are the first two gentlemen featured on the conservative's cover?k you for asking. that's a very good question as john f. kennedy would say. next question. >> well, let's move on to the myth of american exceptionalism. >> okay. that is a fine book by godry hodson a british scholar who has specialized american history throughout his career. he is most famous for his book on 20th century america. that is a beautiful study of the '60s. this is sort of his love letter to america. he's almost like alistar cook in his long association of the development of america in the 20th century and what he's arguing here is that america is well loved for its exceptional qualities throughout the world and always has been. and that we have always lived our political lives internationally as an exceptional nation both morally and politically. and he is troubled that we have sort of taken the notion of exceptionalism in recent years and turned it into a rationale for a preemptive strike in iraq, for example. and he expresses worry that we have maybe overstepped the boun

mr. rogers: are these lookout posts on u.s. soil? mr. king: they are. i reserve. the chair: the gentleman from north carolina. mr. price: i yield back the balance of my time. mr. king: can i inquire as to how much time is remaining? the chair: the gentleman has 1 1/2 minutes remaining. mr. king: i yield myself the balance of the time in order to close. as the ranking member from kentucky said, this is something i do have a lot of work in. i am not the only member of this congress that's been down there to these lookouts. i have gone there and walked across the desert with our shadow wolves, for example, and had them point up and say on that mountain they have a position. and they have -- they have state-of-the-art optical equipment, state-of-the-art radio equipment. they are watching every move that our border patrol, i.c.e., custom border protection and shadow wolves are making on that southern border. and whenever we deploy manpower, if we set up our ground base radar that picks up humans, personnel walking across the desert they know where our locations are. th

mr. rogers but i do not have the capacity. one of the many i am lacking but i can do this because i'm often asked the question, i am on the road and my writing the book ben? it depends what you call right thing. i tried to convince my family and he will meet one of them tonight, she is sitting over here and a character in the book, quite a character, i tried to convince them i cannot be taking a nap and work at the same time. have to me honest it does not often work that way but there have been times in which i have been taking a nap and i have a little dream or relaxation and the different part of the brain starts working and i get a good idea. if that has happened twice that means it can happen again. so that means a nablus working writing is i start with a pencil and paper before i go to electronics. but at any rate this book which one person called a doorstop of a book i will take mine and shellacked and prop. one of the doors open that i get. i did not need for it to be this bigger wanted it to me smaller than "blue highw

mr. rogers: i thank the gentleman and i support it fully. the administration's new policy on work site enforcement, from my point of view, amounts to de facto amnesty. the raid that was made in seattle after this administration took office where the 24 or so illegal aliens who got their job by false papers were seized and arrested and then turned loose and on top of that given a work permit, that's the new policy of this administration. so that an illegal ilyen knows that if he or she -- an illegal alien knows that if he or she works in a place that is raided, they'll get a permit to go back to work which makes them legal. so as far as i'm concerned, the new policy of the administration is de facto amnesty. and the gentleman's amendment reaches a part of that answer and i absolute him for it -- salute him for it. but i hope and trust that the administration will come to their senses and give us a rational immigration policy that requires work site enforcement at a time when americans -- american citizens of the country are out of work, that

mr. rogers from michigan, who when he was in afghanistan recently and visited our base there and went to the prison there where we are holding people who we actually captured on the battlefield, he observed the fact that now we have f.b.i. agents ma ran diesing -- ma yandaizing, that is giving miranda statements to those we found on the battlefield. in other words what, we have done is we have transposed the universe in which these people are being detained from one of a combat atmosphere to one of a criminal proceeding in the united states. now, why is that important? it's important because this is for the -- papping for the first time in the history of the united states. we did not do this during the revolutionary war. we did not do it during any war we fought. not the civil war, not world war i, not world war ii. if we had followed this same thinking in world war ii, our courts would have been overwhelmed. people forget we had two million p.o.w.'s that we held during world war ii. over 400,000 of them in the united states. never was it thought that they had all of the rights under the

mr. rogers, and we could do an experiment to appear but i don't have that capacity. but i can do this because i am often asked this question. the question is this. when i'm on the road in my writing the book then? yes, it depends of course would you call writing. i tried to convince my family, and he will meet one of them tonight for a few minutes. she is sitting over here. she is a character in this book, quite a character. i tried to convince them that i can be taking a nap and work the same time. i have to be honest it does not often work that way but there have been times in which i have been taking a nap and babil little bit of a dream or a relaxation and a different part of the jury-mad brain starts working and i get a good idea. so, that it's happened twice that means it can happen again so naps count, you are working but writing is more than simply putting, in my case pencil to paper. i star with a pencil and paper before i go to electronics. so, it might bring is turning i could be working right now and something will come out that i don't know but it any ra

mr. cohen, you may proceed. >> chairman dorgan and members of the subcommittee, i am roger cohen, president of the regional airline association. i want to express our deepest sympathies to the lives of the passengers and crew of flight 3407 that were lost, and for the families affected by the crash. we deeply share in their grief. i also want to express today not only for our member airlines but for our 60,000 highly trained professionals, our total, unwavering commitment to safety. as we work towards ensuring this, let's make sure this post accident process does not have to be repeated. we will take whatever steps are necessary so that our flight crews and our aircraft are as safe as humanly possible. the safety of our nation's skies is a shared responsibility. at monday's faa summit, 5 of our regional airline ceos joined with federal agencies, major airlines, and union representatives to candidly explore all of the issues making headlines over these past few months. regional airlines have but one objective, and that is to prevent any future accidents. as we do that, it is important to keep our perspective and re

mr. obama has decided who will not offer north korean new incentives to dismantle the nuclear complex that the north had previously promised to abandon. good morning to rogern our independent line from dallas. caller: this is a failure of foreign policy by obama. when president bush was in office the democrats blamed all of our troubles with north korea on him. president obama suggested that he would be able to get along with troublesome countries better than bush did, but he has not. the north koreans are being very disrespectful to the united states. they are testing nuclear weapons, firing missiles. now the have kidnapped reporters. they are really challenging obama and making him look weak. host: on the nuclear issue here is a story in "the boston globe" about uranium. obama seeks a global uranium fuel bank. the plan would counter runs withiiran's weapon quest. it is part of a strategy to stop iran from obtaining nuclear weapons -- president obama plans to seek the creation of the first-ever international supply of uranium that would allow patients to obtain fuel for civilian nuclear reactors to limit the capacity to make bombs. "the new york times" ha

mr. chairman. and thanks to the witnesses. great questions all around. i think the idea of personal opportunity is really important and i agree with my colleague, congresswoman morris rogers on that. i think we can all agree on that. obviously, i think we have to do all we can to promote personal responsibility and when it comes to wellness i think that's absolutely critical. there's no doubt about it. there's a lot to like, i think, about this bill. certainly, i think wellness is a part of it. an important part of it. health i.t. is important as well was mentioned. i think a public plan option is the way to go and i'll ask dr. hacker about that in a second, dealing with catastrophic costs clearly that's something we have to deal with it, there's no doubt about it. and i could go on and on. i do want to pick up on the regional and geographic disparities question. i'm from iowa which may not surprise why i want to pick up on that. iowa as maybe everyone on the panel, maybe everyone not is consistently ranked at or near the top in terms of outcomes and deficiency, quality of service, all the rest. we're among the best if not the best. yet iowa and not just iowa but there ar

mr. rogers: thank you. faslula took a great area, a tourist area in pakistan, the swat valley, and the very difficult that this military has had in trying to extract them from what is a settled area in pakistan. that is real trouble. many of you have quoted the 60 miles from islam abad. that was the swat -- islamabad. that was the swat area. faslula, rabid taliban leader who over time has taken over the police stations. you have al qaeda senior leadership moving freely with some supporting their ability. masoud has been engaged in terrorist attacks, not only against us but the pakistanis. their government is at risk. their people are dying. this bill arrogantly says, listen, if you want -- we want this bill arrogantly says, listen, if you want -- we want

mr. rogers: mr. speaker, the motion to recommit contains language that i placed into the june 15, 2009 congressional record to prohibit any funds in this bill from being used by the department of justice to provide miranda rights to detainees in the custody of the united states military in afghanistan. house resolution 544, the original rule for consideration of this bill, limited amendments to those received for printing in the portion of the congressional record of june 15, 2009, or earlier, designated for that purpose in clause 8 of rule 18. therefore under the terms of the house resolution 544, the original rule adopted for consideration of this bill, my amendment was in order to be considered during the amendment process in the committee of the whole. mr. speaker, it is my understanding that clause 2 of rule 21 of the rules of the house prohibits the limitation from being offered on an appropriations bill if it contains legislation. since my amendment did not constitute leng slating -- legislati

mr. rogers. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan is recognized for two minutes. . mr. rogers: thank you, mr. speaker, i am disappointed with the majority for not allowing a fair and free debate on some very important issues. i mean, obviously this bill spends too much money. it has earmarks that have never been vetted. but we brought other issues of equal importance, thix that the american people -- things that the american people deserve to hear. i had an amendment that says we need to stopmy ran diesing terrorists in foreign countries, afghanistan, for attacking our troops and being detained. and miranda right, you have the right to remain silent, you have the right to a lawyer. it's happening now. the worst part of this is that even the majority wasn't briefed either or if they were they're not talking about it. we had one opportunity to stand up today and say, enough. you can't criminalize the battlefield. we have f.b.i. agents who after our soldiers pick them up, after trying to kill members of the 82nd airborne or the 101 rt or our marines -- 101st or our marines,

mr. rogers of michigan for today. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the requests are granted.

mr. rogers: thank you, mr. speaker. we have i think the most important decision we are going to make in the years ahead on how we look at the war on terror. prior to 9/11, look at the events, the 1993 twin tower bombings, the u.s.s. cole, the east africa bombings, after the 1993 bombings, we decided to continue our effort to treat the war on terror as a law enforcement exercise. and it led all the way through to 9/11. and this body collectively said we have a very important decision to make now after the 9/11 attacks. we said that's going to either be a crime or it's going to be an act of war. and this body, in overwhelming numbers, decided it was an act of of war. and we aggressively pursued our counterterrorism efforts around the world and we pursued those who attacked us with absolute vigilance. and it has been successful. no one can argue it has not been successful. and think of what happened right after that. we policed up khalid muhammad. because he had been schooled in the united states, the very first thing he t

mr. rogers: recorded vote. the speaker pro tempore: a recorded vote is requested. those favoring a recorded vote will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. pursuant to clause 9 of rule 20, the chair will reduce to five minutes the minimum time for electronic votes on the question of passage. this shall be a 15-minute vote and a 15-minute only. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 153, the nays are 255. the motion is not agreed to. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan, for what purpose do you rise? mr. upton: mr. speaker, can i have order for a moment? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, for what purpose do you rise? mr. upton: as dean of the m