and for her part eleanor roosevelt publicly praised her appointment as ambassador to italy writing that mrs. luce would be an able ambassador who will represent us well. price of fame goes into fascinating detail about luce's relationships not only with the roosevelts, but with so many of the great figures of the 20th century from eisenhower to several churchills to jfk and of course her stormy marriage to henry luce. and so does morris herself in a wonderful account of how she became to be clare boothe luce's biographer the only one to have access to her public and private papers. and so it is really a great privilege to have sylvia morris with us here tonight. born in england, she taught english literature before moving to the united states in 1968 with her husband the writer edmund morris who i'm also proud to have with us here in the evening, and she is also the author of a biography of former first lady edith kermit roosevelt. it also gives me great pleasure to introduce our moderator, the prolific writer and editor, james atlas. he is founding editor of the viking press live series of

mrs. roosevelt, i was younger and not so very wise. sometimes i'd feel very unhappy sorry for myself. when i was feeling that way if i ould manage it, i would come out here alone and sit and look at that woman and i'd come away somehow feeling better

mr. roosevelt is in the dining room eating alone, so he went back down. there was a reporter there, thank odd. he goes into the room, there were 100 diners there, he goes over to teddy, says hello throws his arm around him and the entire restaurant clapped. >> that is so great. said to the reporter, i'm so glad this happened, i'm so glad we're friends again. some months later, teddy died full -- teddy died. . it is emotional. >> what happened to have to after that? >> the great thing that happens, he wanted to be a justice on the supreme court. he thinks he cannot leave his duty, he makes that choice. to go to the presidency. in 1921, he got appointed supreme court justice. he is happy the last decade of his life. he was in his 60's then. -- it was almost there for a decade until he died. the incredible thing about his weight is it goes up and down his whole life depending on his happiness. the presidency, he's back to 250 on the supreme court. when he did not need to be then, because he had a robe. his father was a judge, he loved being a judge. said, i

mr. burns but also your first project on the roosevelts and fdr. what drew you to roosevelt? >> guest: in particular john to him because fdr is such a fascinating and opaque person but you really can't have eleanor if you don't have theodore and that's a link that we wanted to show both in the show and in the book. they are to me in exhaustively interesting people and it was a great privilege and joy to do that but. >> host: we can show you "the roosevelts" an intimate history a companion piece with a 14 hour documentary airing this week on pbs. mr. burns i pretty describe this as an inside-out history. can you explain that? >> guest: we talk about this and geoffrey and i have talked about this in the 32 years we have collaborated on at least that many shows that american history is usually top down. that's the story of presidents and wars in general and that has a kind of lennearness and a convert and familiarity that is what passes for most people for american history. we have also understood that there have been trends and an interest in the bottom-up history talking about

mr. roosevelt found to continue the same number up until about pearl harbor. >> your own next operationsthe field of relief then came when, sir? >> well, i at the beginning of the second world war, i was appealed to by some different eight or nine different governments in europe who had been occupied by the germans, to again come to their relief. we organized some relief for them, but in the course of three or four, two years, the military people in control of the allied side adopted the old british doctrine and they closed off our operations. it was not until the war was over when the inevitable post war famine began that i again was called back into service. bear in mind that every world war will create a worldwide famine. i don't need to go into the reasons for that. but it's a solemn fact. and mr. truman was faced with a famine in 1946. even greater than the world has ever seen before. he asked me to take apart the management of the famine and i did so by organizing the necessary set-up in washington and again i visited 38 different nations by plane. organized their food administrati

mrs. roosevelt got the signal and she got her friend 2 that silly man. a design that roosevelt finally agreed to and that's the design the president wanted and there are parts of the other one in it. ma'am? >> who put the pool in? >> the pool was put in for president roosevelt, march of dimes. and it was in what was still, if you can believe, a laundry. it had always been that west wing that west wing that connects to the big building. that had been a laundry since the beginning and wine cellar and so president roosevelt, there were contributions great and small, schoolchildren, and they built -- it was a tank. it wasn't more like an exercise tank. beautiful room. had an arched ceiling. it is now the press briefing room. president nixon changed it to that and president ford had a backyard pool built behind the west wing. and i must add that it is very interesting recently that the place was changed. the briefing room. and a group of us from the association went down and you can see traces of jefferson's wing there and you can see before the nixon improve

mr. roosevelt is in the dining room eating alone. he says to take me back home. there is a reporter there, thank god, to record this. there are 100 diners there. he goes over to teddy. throws his arm around him. teddy says to sit down and the entire restaurant collapse. they know this means the friendship has come together. says, thank god this happened. i'm so glad we are friends again. later hesome months dies and taft is an honored guest at the funeral and he says to his sister, i don't know what i would have done if we had not come back together again. i would have mourned at all my life. it is so special. >> what happened to taft? >> he wanted to be a justice on the supreme court. teddy offers it to him three times. twice ease in the philippines and he thinks he cannot leave his duty. the third time is already a candidate for president. finally in 1921 he gets appointed supreme court chief justice. the last decade of his life, he says it's the happiest day of his life. >> at what age? >> he would have been in his 60's. is there for almost a decade until he d

mrs. roosevelt, i was younger and not so very wise. sometimes i'd feel very unhappy sorry for myself. when i was feeling that way if i ould manage it, i would come out here alone and sit and look at that woman and i'd come away and ow feeling better stronger. eleanor roosevelt was wrong the the gender of but shec bronze figure, aptured perfectly the peace of god that passth understanding. >> you're watching american istory tv, all weekend every weekend on c-span 3. to join the conversation, like c-span cebook at history. 50 years ago on september 24, supreme court chief justice warren handed a report assassination of kennedy to president lyndon johnson in the oval office. pictured commissioners here with president johnson and counsel jay lee ranken lee harvey oswald acted alone in killing john f. kennedy. the warren commissioner worked n this building, a short walk from the u.s. supreme court building and the u.s. capitol. camera in a fourth floor conference room to talk to shenon, whose book "a cruel and shocking act" the history of the kennedy assassination examines the work, using

mrs. roosevelt, i was much younger and not so very wise. sometimes i would feel very unhappy and sorry for myself. when i was feeling that way, if i could manage it, i'd come out here alone and sit and look at that woman and i always felt better. and stronger. eleanor roosevelt was wrong about the gender of the thematic nigmatic maddock -- e bronze figure. but she captured perfectly the spiritual balm provided by the memorial sculpture christened the peace of god that passeth understanding. each week, american history tv sits in on a lecture with one of the nation's college professors. you can watch the classes here every saturday evening at 8 p.m. and midnight eastern. next, u.s. naval academy professor lori bogle talked about the american soldiers taken prisoner during the korean war. professor bogle explained how the warring nations used prisoners to intimidate their enemies and described the effects of captivity and attempts by the enemy at political indoctrination. the u.s. naval academy is in annapolis, maryland. this class is about 5

mr. roosevelt is in the dining room eating alone. so taft says well take me back town. he goes in the room, wait until you hear this, there is a reporter there, thank god, to record this. he goes in the room, there are 100 diners. the wait staff is all there he goes over to teddy, hello. throws his arm around him, teddy says sit down, throws his arm around, the entire restaurant clapped. they know this means the friendship has come together. >> rose: that's great. >> so great. and the reporter-- . >> rose: it makes me crazy. >> teddy says to the reporter thank god this happened. i'm so glad we're friends again. and then some monthslater teddy dies and taft is an honored guest at the funeral. and he says to teddy's sister i done know what i would have done if we hadn't come back together again. i would have mourned it all my life. >> rose: and. >> it is emotional. >> rose: what happened to taft after that. >> the great thing that happens to taferkts all his life what he wants to be is be a justice on the supreme court. teddy offers it to him three times. he doesn't take

mr. roosevelt, that true leadership transcends party lines?what we are starving for today for i think we can still have an argument about franklin. tr's has got his unbelievable flaws as does eleanor. i think we can raise questions about -- what is the role of government? what is too much government, what is too little? i think there are times when government has to be a countervailing force, and when of incomea period inequality as we are now, as we were in the 1930's in tr's time, the government has to be that force that helps level the playing field so that everybody, important,n critical, central middle class, has a voice and the argument, and right now, they do not feel like they have a dog in this race, and nobody cares about them. that echoes with today. we do not do this to comment on the present, but the film has ry sort of antecedents. >> let's touch upon this with ken burns, "the roosevelts," an intimate history. not a comparison of the depression, scoreless, to this resin financial crisis, but enough of an overlap. >> i like how yo

mr. roosevelt thought he had to continue the same number until about pearl harbor. >> your own next operationsrelief came when sir? >> at the beginning tlmp known. in the course of three or four two years the. and they closed off our pragtz. the inevitable post-war salmon that. >> bachld, every world war will kret. it will be back and mr. the likes of what i had never seen before. he asked me to take part in the management of the movement and i did so by organizing the necessary setup in washington, and again i visited 38 different nations by plane, organized their administrations got back, and we pulled through. when we started we were convinced at least 800 million people would die in that family and we won a war we hadn't expected. in the end we pulled them all it's very clear, mr. hoover. >> let me ask you this. thurg all yeefz accident. either for relief or for the federal service except in this sense. that i have at times taken federal salaries and expended them on others outside of my own needs, bad youths. i was led to that by an i was led to that on my honey. i doenl. moefz happened t

and when one of the porters was gathering the roosevelt's baggage in may of 1909 when he hill,aving for sagamore he said, we will miss you, mr. president to theodore roosevelt. he said, no, howard taft is your president. i am now just colonel roosevelt. and that is the way he stayed for the rest of his life, preferring to be remembered as the colonel commending the regiment of volunteers. the roughriders. always colonel roosevelt to the end. a wonderful opportunity for the national firearms museum to be the temporary custodians of these national treasures literally from our nation's attic. in fact a number of firearms his six children enjoyed using -- his oldest son earned the medal of honor at utah beach. his second son kermit, major in the british expeditionary forces during world war i and the united states in world war i and world war ii, died at fort richardson, alaska in 1943. son number three, archie disabilitygiven 100% from wounds received twice, both in world war i and world war ii -- and the first to pass, a fighter pilot shot down by the germans over france in 1918. the firearms used in the service for recreation

mr. roosevelt found he had to continue the same number up until about pearl harbor. >> your own next operationsin the field of relief then came when, sir? >> well, i at the beginning of the second world war, i was appealed to by some eight or nine different governments in europe who had been occupied by the germans to again come to their relief. we organized some relief for them, but in the course of three or four, two years, the military people in control of the allied side adopted the old british doctrine, and they closed off our operations. it was not until the war was over when the inevitable post war famine began that i again was called back into service. bear in mind that every world war will create a worldwide famine. i don't need to go into the reasons for that. but it's a solemn fact. and mr. truman was faced with a famine in 1946. even greater than the world has ever seen before. he asked me to take a part in the management of the famine, and i did so by organizing the necessary set-up in washington and again i visited 38 different nations by plane, organized their food administration

mr. president to theodore roosevelt. he said, no, howard taft is your president. i am now just colonel roosevelt. he preferred to be remembered as ehe colonel commending th regiment of volunteers. the roughriders. a wonderful opportunity for the national firearms museum to be the temporary custody and of these national treasures literally from our nation's attic. earned the medal of honor at utah beach. the second oldest son died at fort richardson, alaska in 1943. his third son received twice, both in world war i and world war ii theory be understood and first to pass, a fighter pilot shot down by the germans over france in 1918. the firearms used in the service for recreation around sagamore still wonderful examples and artifacts we can literally look at, reach back and touch the past. perhaps one of my favorite stories is of this winchester model 94. there is a silencer mounted. third son said father liked to take this gun out hunting early in the morning , dispatching varmints with it. if created little noise and tended not to wake the neighbors . if you can i

mrs. roosevelt got the signal and she got her friend 2 that silly man. at roosevelt finally agreed to and that's the design the president wanted and there are parts of the other one in it. ma'am? >> who put the pool in? >> the pool was put in for president roosevelt, march of dimes. and it was in what was still, if you can believe, a laundry. it had always been that west wing that west wing that connects to the big building. that had been a laundry since the beginning and wine cellar and so president roosevelt, there were contributions great and small, schoolchildren, and they built -- it was a tank. it wasn't more like an exercise tank. beautiful room. had an arched ceiling. it is now the press briefing room. president nixon changed it to that and president ford had a backyard pool built behind the west wing. and i must add that it is very interesting recently that the place was changed. the briefing room. and a group of us from the association went down and you can see traces of jefferson's wing there and you can see before the nixon improvements, you c

first lady finds herself confronted with the memory of ranklin roosevelt host: peter, you're on with ken burns and jeffrey ward. caller: yes, mr. burns, can you influencew much of an george frederick hagel had on teddy and also on roosevelt and fdr? thank you. i know a little bit about hagel only in that his purportedlydent was a man named john augustus robling who would build, design, and not live to see his son omplete the building of the greatest engineering feat of the 9th century, the brooklyn bridge. uh' caller: i want to thank you and give you kudos for the film. civil ughly enjoyed the war. but your depiction of the dust bowl in that time, it just me to my knees because the war showed what is. thank you for the live in media age in which we're drowning in information. it, but little understanding. it's great to have c-span, and that takes the time to dive deep, to listen to all of the voices and to represent all of voices. do.t is what we're trying to we had superficial ideas about the dust bowl and the roosevelts. they're very -- must have conventional wisdom. one bad storm. 100 storms didn't just kill crops and your

mrs. for me though whole concept of the forgotten man we think of roosevelt so often and the man at the bottom of the economic pyramid even the audio they be in the library exhibits. there was another forgotten man it known to them but the forgotten man described by a professor at yale in they spoke of the different forgotten man that jay wants to help blacks, -- x but then tried to coerce c id to the party. but it a is the forgotten man that what i have figured is that they have debated whose "the forgotten man" is it? the taxpayer? your forgotten man hurts mine. we did not get that with education. this is the soviet union to have a look there were not mostly traders. but definitely influenced by russia that seems promising at the time. one of the fastest and most lovable and most radical we view him getting excited a lot of fuss like the sound it makes them dizzy with happiness but that same phenomenon going on in russia. in part because he is parturition. we paraphrase trotsky i hope it is accurate and that'' at the end is the american is disgusted because they chew gum. he actually did say

and that's franklin roosevelt saying nope, 5,000 planes is not enough this year, i need 50,000 planes, you can't do that, mrl do it, i think you'll do it will. and it was because you had somebody saying you will do it he is that audacity. that's what makes them so remarkable. the key is fear. all of them had to face fear in some way. >> teddy had the health issues as a child, asthmatic. >> and unbelievable tragedy. his wife and his mother died on the same day in the same house on 20th street. >> jon: it was valentine's day. >> yeah. it was horrible. and he was himself susceptible to depression. he came from a family of mental illness and alcoholism. and so he said black chair can really sit behind the rider whose pace is fast enough which is a 19th century way of saying you can outrun your demons. his famous niece ale nor was the same way they were in constant motion which makes franklin more-- because when kono longer take a step, he, you can't outrun any demons. he's still willing to face that fear in the best sort of way. and eleanor has this horrible childhood. both parents are gone by the time she's te

and i also went to george washington high school, and roosevelt middle school and i do remember, qualified teachers that i had great teachers such as mr. redlic and mr. rodity, who taught me many, many things outside of the classroom. in terms of being a conscious person, and i think that it is of the utmost importance that we respect our teachers and our para professionals who work with the public schools and the public schools have undergone, a lot of changes, and a lot of assaults, and i really believe that there has to be really more respect for the economic situation that many of the teachers in san francisco face. and one of the speakers earlier mentioned the case of santiago who is a teacher that he teaches music to developmentally disabled children. and now, that is a great thing to do and a great profession, he also has a disability and he is also dealing with his own physical issues but that has not stopped them from pursuing his love for teaching, and for fulfilling the mission of his life, which is the love for kids and the love for children and for the love for sharing that art, which is enriching the lives of the childre

and i also went to george washington high school, and roosevelt middle school and i do remember, qualified teachers that i had great teachers such as mr. redlic and mr. rodity, who taught me many, many things outside of the classroom. in terms of being a conscious person, and i think that it is of the utmost importance that we respect

mr. larkin. >> good morning, again i've served on the cac since 2003, i he was the chairperson for 4 years from 2006 to 234509z once i got to four terms i felt i tied franklin roosevelt i'm a transient engineer and worked for bart as a full-time employee and again, a year and a half to two years as a sub consultant to another contractor on call services contract a member of the passenger transport association and a member of the several of the committees and i tried to make it to the rail conference it's been 3 years since i've been i didn't self-identify as to gender or race on the form i felt i would show up. >> thank you other captions that would like to speak. >> good morning. i'm aaron i'm on the list for district 11 as stated i wasn't listed for race or gender i've been to many meetings in district 7 and now in district 11 i'm listed white male caucasian. >> thank you, mr. goodman. >> another other candidates anyone from the public wish to speak on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed colleagues, i wanted to chime in and say a bryan larkin has served for 10 years on the cac his expertise i thank him for bringing me up to speed not only in the richmo

. >> they always point to john kennedy's inaugural address, roosevelt after pearl harbor, your speech writing, mr. gorbachev, tear down that wall. what happened to people speaking in common english? >> well, that isn't the style right now. the president is more analytical, he's more in his rhetoric, he's cool in his rhetoric to a point that many people find disengaged. that's his style -- >> so that's a polite way of saying it doesn't work. >> well, it has not worked of late. obviously, he's been elected twice to the presidency with convincing margins, and so, it's worked in some ways, but his rhetoric has tended to -- his problem right now isn't his rhetoric, it's the facts on the ground, that he's faked his policies and staked one set of policies, they didn't work, now he's going in a different direction, a direction by the way in which he's catching up with the country, rather than leading the country. in that sense, he doesn't have the same kind of hurdle to convince that he's had. the real convincing he has to do is for these persuade people he's serious and he'll be serious about following

of fame goes into the detail about luce's ship with the roosevelt and so many figures of the 20th century. and of course her stormy marriage to mr. luce. sylvia jukes morris makes an appearance in a wonderful account of how she became clare boothe luce biography. it is a great privilege to have her here tonight. born in england and her husband is a writer as well who i am proud to have here with us. she is the author of a book on edith roosevelt, another-person who had a complicated relationship with the resident of the house. our moderator is james atlas. he is finding editor of the viking press and the author of life of an american poet which was nominated for a national book award. in addition to his memoir he has written for the "the new york times" and vanity affair. so please welcome the two in what promises to be a fascinating conversation. thank you. [applause] >> first of all, my printer broke just before coming here with all of my notes so i had to put them on my phone. and this is this generation that doesn't under how anything works. it is all in my head. the first sentence i was going to say i have known clare for d

mr. hutchinson served as administrator of the u.s. drug enforcement administration. that begins tomorrow at 1 p.m. eastern on c-span. award winning filmmaker ken burns discusses his new pbs documentary, the roosevelts monday. the seven-part film covers the lives of theodore, franklin and eleanor roosevelt. this is about an hour. >> for more than 30 years, ken burns' documentaries have presented the stories of the american experience, with drama and flair. his topics have ranged from the brooklyn bridge to baseball, from mark twain to jazz, from prohibition to the national parks. remarkably, his works never become outdated. as we commemorate the 150th anniversary of the civil war this pbs series on that war remains as relevant today as it was when it debuted in 1950. burns captures the historic moments of american life with archival materials like personal letters, diaries and newspapers. his use of still photographs have been revolutionary. he has called photographs the dna of everything he has done and his evocative scans have transformed his subjects into a cinematic experience. the slow-moving the slow motion scanning technique is now even called the ken burns' effect. his new seven-part pbs ser

mrs. mckinley said there will be no hammering while i live hire. and that pretty much did it.áb;r september 1901 brought the president -- brought to the presidency the vice president c theodore rooseveltas a group of private architects had dethroned the army corps of engineers and set about creating a master plan for the city of washington. they named their plan for their patron in the senate senator james mcmillan of michigan. charles mckim, one of the country's best architects and major player in wanting to redesign washington, all the architects got together at the american institute of architects. he realized politically to make the whole plan work, its supporters needed full presidential support. he learned that the roosevelts loved the old house. he loved -- all roosevelts love old houses and loved antiques. he loved that they wanted the historic white house and they wanted to live there.á0!Ñ it was inevitable to be central e mckim spun a web and wrapped the youthful president like a hero's cloak in all the prestige of the past. it was all to be a world image we now have been -- were an international nation. had changed and mckim restored the exterior but the interior which wa

mr. burns talked about his new documentary after the national press club. the seven part film covers the lives of the roosevelts. live at 12:30 p.m. on c-span 2. of the comments we received from our viewers. toi really did not expect spend the day watching television. i caught the end of the key west program and a started checking what was calming and i cannot turn it off. it was really terrific. i hope it is ok that i recorded this. there is so much information and i like the opportunity to see parts of it again. i do not have a computer. at any rate, it was a wonderful program. thank you for it. >> i watched c-span's coverage of the irs hearings. it was a three-hour editorial piece. and i was stunned. i was done by the moments picked out over all of the hours of interviews and meetings and investigations and hearings. i was stunned to see out of all the moms picked were the democrats attacking the accusingns choosing -- them of witchhunts and a hatred and bigotry and un-american. whatever. c-spans three hours of propping up the democrats and protecting a barack obama. i always knew you had a bias. i have only

franklin roosevelt, reading about it a lot lately, had to go from end the depression to fight and win the second world war. then you look at lyndon johnson, who had a terrible change, from mrverty in america, with medicaid and medicare and all the good things he did, then got sunk into the vietnam war. how would you compare the turn in the road for the president now, to those two previous turns for presidents? >> it's a big difference from just six years ago when he was popular around the world and in the united states for his views so different from president bush. i think just a few months ago, he gave a speech about his foreign policy. he's been criticized for being too cautious. but he doesn't want to get the president in a long, drawn-out campaign without objective and without a clear end date. and last night, as much as he tried to mark the limits of our engagement, with no ground forces, it's not clear how long it will last. behind the scenes, the administration has been acknowledging this is probably going to outlast the president's term, ending in 2017. that's not the legacy that he expected or that he intended to leave. >> so in the middle of this upcoming presid

mr. secretary. i wonder how he pulls those together, more than just the words we got last night. >> that's what presidential leadership is all about, simon. whether it be franklin rooseveltg a reluctant america into world war ii, george h.w. bush taking a reluctant america into the gulf war. presidents have to be proactive, including in their leadership of the public. we are celebrating today or commemorating the 13th anniversary of a horrible attack on the united states. we are also approaching the 25th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall, the end of the cold war that let loose many of these factors that we're dealing with today. i think we have to have a global strategy that has an important regional component. i think the president started laying that out last night. i think there is more to come, both in that region, the middle east, that has become increasingly more destabilized in the last 25 years. and we have to have an integrated strategy, political, economic and military. we heard a lot about the military strategy last night. i would like to see that more comprehensive strategy laid out more clearly. >> it's not just the middle east. one question we grap

the former home of franklin and eleanor roosevelt where i think it is probably safe to assume that clare boothe luce was not a regular social visitor. [laughter] mrs. luce's relationship with the roosevelts was, one might say, complicated. she was an early supporter of fdr but soon became one of his most outspoken critics, once famously accusing him of being the only american president who ever lied us into a war because he did not have the political courage to lead us into it. her relationship with eleanor roosevelt, with whom she was in regular competition for most popular woman in the u.s., was perhaps more nuanced. like mrs. roosevelt, she had overcome the disadvantages of her childhood to become a self-made woman who was well ahead of her time

mrs. roosevelt, i was much younger and not so very wise. sometimes i would feel very unhappy and sorry for myself. when i was feeling that way, if i could manage it, i'd come out here alone and sit and look at that woman and i always felt better. and stronger. eleanor roosevelt was wrong about the gender of the thematic bronze figure. but she captured perfectly the spiritual balm provided by the memorial its sculpture christianed the peace of god that passeth understanding. >> on june 18, 18 12, the united states officially declared war for the first time when president madison signed the nearly passed congressional act declaring war on great britain. the next step is figuring out how to pay for the war. president ofowen, the museum of american finance. he explores how treasury secretary albert gallatin funded the war of 1812. this event is a little under 45 minutes. have the pleasure of introducing david callan. he has over 20 years of experience as a trader on wall street. the founder of quasar capital partners, he holds a ba in american

mrs. roosevelt got the signal n got her friend eric gugler whom roosevelt called that silly man. he came in and did a design that roosevelt finally agreed to and that's the design the president wanted and there are parts of the other one in it. ma'am? >> who put the pool in? >> the pool was put in for president roosevelt, march of dimes. and it was in what was still, if you can believe, a laundry. it had always been that west wing that west wing that connects to the big building. that had been a laundry since the beginning and wine cellar and so president roosevelt, there were contributions great and small, schoolchildren, and they built -- it was a tank. it wasn't more like an exercise tank. beautiful room. had an arched ceiling. it is now the press briefing room. president nixon changed it to that and president ford had a backyard pool built behind the west wing. and i must add that it is very interesting recently that the place was changed. the briefing room. and a group of us from the association went down and you can see traces of jefferson's t