i mean mr. rosenzed contacts between the ex-president and mr. clark. i mean there was clearly a process, and, you know, you heard this from jim comey, he wrote about it and talked about it. he tried to have a process so the president wasn't always calling the fbi director to tell him to let flynn go. the failure of any process to protect institutions from being politicized seems to be a pattern that keeps repeating itself. i wonder what you make of sort of the now detailed, anecdotal evidence of trump having his man at the highest levels at the justice department and, you know, do you wonder what would have happened if he had succeeded in getting rid of rosen and leaving clark inside? >> remember what had happened under attorney general barr. barr was complicit and helped the president move the big lie before the election and after the election until he couldn't take it anymore in the final days. so, again, i'm really delighted that we have such public servants who saved us from the brink, but mr. tru

"the new york times" reports that clark meet with trump on his own and then informed mr. rosen, the acting attorney general the president intended to replace rosen with clark who could then try to stop congress from certifying the electoral college results. clark apparently convincing trump to make him the attorney general so he could sign that letter. and again, that letter that very likely would have precipitated a crisis from which the country may not have recovered. it would have put enormous pressure on the republicans in the georgia general assembly again dominated by republicans, a green light from the doj and they very well may have gone ahead, appointed their own electors, went to washington. it would have thrown us into a frenzy, a suddenly contested election. laying out mr. clark's efforts to replace mr. rosen. should mr. rosen be fired they all agreed to resign en masse. when presented with that ultimatum trump seemed somewhat swayed by the idea firing mr. rosen would trigger not only chaos of the justice department but also congressional investigations and possible

and then they say clark meets with donahue on his own, and then informed mr. rosen, the active attorney general, the president intended to replace rosen with clark. and then try to stop congress from certifying the electoral college results. clark apparently convincing trump to make him the attorney general, so he can sign that letter. and again, that letter being issued at the department of justice in that that very likely would appear precipitated a crisis from which the country may not recover. it would've put in order pressure on the republicans in the georgia assembly. dominated by republicans. a green light from the doj, and they may very well have gone ahead and appointed their own electors, send trump to washington. maybe other states would have followed suit. they would've thrown us into a frenzy. a suddenly contested election, even though there's nothing to contest. it was a very clear electoral result. one man one, one man lost. the times report that late afternoon there was a call from remaining senior leaders, laying out mr. clark's efforts to replace m

. >> i cannot tell you -- >> mr. rosen. >> -- about private conversations with the president one way or the other. >> what do you make of former acting a.g. jeffrey rosen, congresswoman? >> thank you for asking. and i want to reserve judgment. i want to point out two things. on the one hand he came before -- voluntarily came before senate judiciary and offered hours and hours of what i am sure is going to be very valuable testimony. like you, i wish he had come forward sooner. but you have to remember, this is a change of administrations. from the trump administration who treated the department of justice as its own personal political law firm to do its bidding under a.g. barr and others. so the transition to biden and merrick garland, it was merrick garland and his department of justice that just, i guess it was in the last month, freed people to testify, no cloud. so i'm going to reserve judgment and try to understand why it is that mr. rosen didn't come forward sooner, but i certainly thank him for doing two things, com

this morning, dick durbin revealing what mr. rosentarily and cooperated with us. there was a lot there. you can imagine, seven hours of testimony. and it really is important that we asked these questions because what was going on in the department of justice was frightening from a constitutional point of view. >> joining us now, richard blumenthal, a member of the judiciary committee, and who was in that room during that interview. let's start with how the interviews came about. you heard chairman durbin say that rosen showed up voluntarily. what were the circumstances that led to that? how significant is it that he did go of his own volition? >> it was significant that he appeared voluntarily because the department of justice waived whatever barriers it might have imposed on him. and i think it showed his willingness, indeed his eagerness to cooperate. i hope that other witnesses will be similarly cooperative. because it is essential, absolutely vital, that the american people have this story from jeffrey rosen. and everyone in the d

it certainly raised a question and mr. rosen understood that mr. clark was waiting in the wings and if he didn't do president trump's requests, comply with those requests, he very easily could have been replaced. >> donald trump abused his office. for anyone with eyes or ears before the 2016 election you could see the potential for abuse was high. it is possibly even more alarming that trump's abuses were the abuses of the people around him. from people who were not gold toilet grifters like trump. people like jeffery clark all too eager it seems to break the law for a man who lost the election. before we start sanctify the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen note that he sat in silence for nine or ten months before speaking out against these abuses. now for every jeffery clark who is willing to subvert the law there is a man like this, alexander vindman, who risked his career to provide the evidence that helped to lead to donald trump's first impeachment and that is heartening. but relying on good faith actors is not sustainable or healthy for o

we do know that mr. rosenes of family, i believe his mother recently passed away and we spoke with members of his family and there were other issues that he was dealing with. and there will be more on that at a later time. >> did he have a military background? >> we are not aware of any law enforcement or military background. again, it's an active scene that we are trying to render safe in terms of any other explosive and that is still ongoing. >> not that we are aware of. >> how much longer do you think it will take to assess the scene? >> it will take hours. hours to assess the scene. >> do you think -- are you tracking movement before you arrived at the scene? >> all of that will be an investigation but right now i just want to report that he is in custody and that part of it is done. >> not at this point, no. >> he gave up and did not resist and our folks were able to take him into custody without incident. >> how did you guys convince him, what did you say? >> we had been in communication with him and whe

should mr. rosen be fired, they all agreed to resign en masse. that coup that almost came off, right, was a product of two things, the anti-st democratic, flatly dick that toerl aspirationings of donald trump, which have always been there for decades, as well as mark meadows and jeffrey clark, men whose names should live in infamiliary. it was part of a tradition that is being cultivated and revived on the right that comes from a contempt for the voters and a contempt more deeply for democracy. freedom, liberty and democracy. there's been a long conservative lineage in rejecting democracy. you envount countered it, i'm sure. drawn from the fact that indeed our founding document has a complicated relationship to democracy, to self-rule. the fact that the electoral college is enshrined as an institution, we don't have a popular vote for. even though we should. the current system has resulted in dafrsz. the idea that supreme court justice antonin scalia explained is, quote, the individual citizen has no right to vote for electors of president of the

mr. rosen appeared voluntarily, which says a lot, and cooperated with us.ice department had set it up for us and said we're waving any privilege. he can speak to any issue. we're not holding back. i thought he was very open. there's a lot there, an awful lot there. you can imagine seven hours of testimony. and it really is important that we ask these questions because what was going on in the department of justice was frightening from a constitutional point of view. to think that bill barr left, resi resigned after he had announced he didn't see irregularities in the election, and then his replacement was under extraordinary pressure, the president of the united states, even to the point where they were talking about replacing him. that pressure was on. >> so you said there's a lot there. >> there is a lot there. >> what did he tell you specifically about the pressure that the former president placed on him directly? >> i can't get into that at this moment. i can tell you ultimately there will be a report. there are more people we will tlie to bring in. i w

then informed mr. rosen that the president intended to replace him, who could then try to stop congress from certifying the electoral college results. that plan thankfully failed. but now, the reports say the acting attorney general has confirmed the plotting, to investigators, in two separate interviews, he told the justice department watchdog and congressional investigators, that one of his deputies try to help former president donald j trump, subvert the results of the 2020 election. democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut set in on this testimony, before the senate judiciary committee, and said the american people should hear what he heard. >> they deserve to know, what we have heard so far. which amounts to, a chilling, and shocking, picture of a president, seeking to corrupt the department of justice. and overthrow an election. >> yet today, eight months later, donald trump, and jeffrey clark, the guy who tried to overturn the election, they are not behind bars, they are not facing any cri

but when people step forward voluntarily like mr. rosen, then that solves the problem. i also want to note that i looked at these election laws from my perspective as a prosecutor and 18 code 595 clearly says it's a federal crime to use official authority to interfere with or affect a federal election. jeffrey clark did that. he should be investigated. >> and how do democrats prevent donald trump from running again? given what he's already done, the damage he's already done to democracy, both kind of not just in a doj sense, but physical damage to the building you serve in? is using the 14th amendment a possibility and if not, why not? >> the goal is not to prevent the former president from running again. it should be to hold him accountable. in the last four years, the evidence is overwhelming that he committed obstruction of justice. he also violated federal campaign finance laws. the same law that landed his co-conspirator, michael cohn, in prison. i hope they look at all the evidence and that they do whatever normal investigations they would do for anybody in americ

we know from mr. rosen and mr.e told the committee go away, we have no evidence of fraud, stop asking us to do things that are outside the facts. >> so much of donald trump's effort to steal the election after he lost it was conducted in plain sight or was revealed at the time, including his call to the georgia secretary of state. but i think there might have been some people who attempted to dismiss it as bluster or him not being serious. all of these details are filling in piece by piece exactly how serious he was, how much pressure he was putting on people, how much he was doing to try to make this happen to over t turn the election. >> important to know because he says he wants to run again and he says he wants to come back. and important because the legacy of the big lie continues. this is the wisconsin governor, who yesterday vetoed the republican legislature sent several pieces of legislation that would roll back voting rights. the republicans doing that because they say there was all this massive fraud in 2

i don't think history will be kind to mr. rosen. when he was initially appointed, i didn't think that was the case. >> as we learn more about trump's attempts to hold on to power, remember what he and others called themselves, the party of law and order. that's what republicans want these days. rubin writes, they pine for a strongman that can wield the power of the state against the maga base. they want a dictatorship, not those that enforce the law against them and the maga tribe. barb, i want to start with the new testimony from the former acting a.g., jeffrey rosen. what does it tell us how close we were to a coup here in america? >> well, it's interesting, first, that he got in the door as quickly as he did. there were efforts to prevent him from telling the story where president trump's lawyers were trying to exert privilege. he ran into the senate judiciary committee. he is concerned that there's crimes occurring or significant efforts to commit fraud in the election. saying it was corrupt and leave me to do the rest, giving h

mr. rosen appeared voluntarily, which says a lot, and cooperated with us. justice department had set it up for us, and said we're waiving any privilege. he can speak to any issue, we're not holding back. i thought he was very open. and there's an awful lot there. you can imagine, seven hours of testimony. >> barbara, you have senator blumenthal saying, listen, rosen revealed things that were not known before this investigation. where does this lead the investigation? >> i think it's a great illustration of how so often we assume that what is in the public domain is the whole store. so on which in investigations there are facts that are not publicly known. i also they that one significant reason jeffrey rosen was able to tell the facts is because the justice department has waived any executive privilege. donald trump's lawyer sent a letter saying they wanted to step in and have executive privilege. i think there are a number of places this could lead. i think it also could be shared with criminal prosecutors for possible criminal violations. the one that com

mr. rosen described subsequent exchanges with mr.to press colleagues to make statements about the election that they found to be untrue, according to a person familiar with the interview. he also discovered that mr. clark his engaging in unauthorized conversations with mr. trump about ways to have the justice department publicly passed out on president biden's victory, particularly on battleground states that president trump was fixated on, like georgia. what impact could this have on those involved, considering rosen's testimony? >> huge implications. this shows not only was rosen saying no to undermining our democracy, but also showed he had to reel in deputies, who were clearly meeting with trump and doing trump's bidding, and ready and willing to do that bidding. it shows that rosen had to fight multiple fires, and he's naming names, which is important, because those specifics show that not only should trump be held accountable, but anybody who was working in the doj should be held accountable as well. the ability to name names,

batteries and first aid kit are a good start to learn more, visit safetyactioncenter.pge.com >>> there mr. rosennistration officials. whose testimony is key and it would appear that meadows and others joined with donald trump to sort of break down the barriers that would try to insulate the doj and make it on independence that matters like these elections. >> i can't tell you the person. most attorneys would tell you it is not until they take the oath and they start to testify. we are getting to the heart of the issue. the justice department has told us they are not protected by privilege or any way of giving us clear answers to our questions. this can be candid and we only know as we get into it. >> how does this probe relate to the independent january 6th investigation that people heard so much about. >> i don't know of any connection. i would assume it and would not rule it out either. there are so many unanswered questions of what happened on january 6th in the white house, the oval office with the president. i know those who reached out to them and some of them said so publicly that the nat

lou important could the testimony of mr. rosen and done a hue be?> so i think it can be incredibly important. the december 27th call he says, just say it was corrupt. he threatens them and says i have been told that i should maybe change the leadership of the justice department and put in jeff clark. so he's saying it all right there. that is coercion. that's pressure. i think the committee mostly wants to hear from those particular individuals on that call with trump and who are subject to the week's long repeated efforts by trump to get them to use the justice department's powers for improper purposes. that's basically i paraphrased the draft ill lit racing, which is another document. they need to speak to them about that. >> which is crucial. i want to remind viewers jeffrey clark was the one who wrote a letter calling on georgia to have a special session to look at irregularitys. in the letter he died saying the doj had identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election. jeffrey clark had written a lot of that, th

i will have to say history will be very kind to mr. rosen when it's all over. when he was initially appointed i didn't think that was case and i was wrong. >> as we learn more about trump's attempt to hold on to power, remember what he and the republican party call themselves, the party of "law & order," and it's not what republicans want these days. instead they pine for a strongman who with kaeld power of the state against the maga base's political foes and who would deploy the police to coddle. joining me now to discuss investigative journalist, and a former u.s. attorney who is also an msnbc legal analyst. what does this tell us about how close we were the a coup here in america? >> well, it's interesting, first, that he got in the door as quickly as he did. there are efforts from telling him to tell his story where trump's lawyers are trying to assert executive privilege. he clearly is concerned that there's perhaps crimes occurring here or at least some very significant efforts to commit fraud in the election. based on what we already know, the notes abou

have not heard from you what do you make of all of this and the fed timeline right now and what mr. rosen gren had to say on the "closing bell" with steve. >> i think karen's question was spot on. why is not the market reacting to this and i think steve's answer was also spot on, the fact that although maybe we're talking about a $15 billion a month, we're till talking about a fed continuing to add to their balance sheet. and a question for another time, the bond, i talk about it a lot, i'm becoming a broken record but the moves in ten year yields have extraordinary given it should be the most liquid asset on the planet. you've seen it i don't need to go back and tell you some of the moves over the last few months. but they're remarkable and maybe the market is just become accustomed to it. but i would submit that bond volatility is the precursor of volatility and that is what my concern would be. >> nadine, what is your thoughts here >> well, we looked at it a little bit differently and that is will yields just trade in a range. and so we were long fixed income and some treasuries last w

i think the allegations that you were articulating or describing in terms of mr. rosen but not all that surprise surprising. there were many of us who were ringing the alarm bell warning about the large-scale effort that the former president had engaged in to try to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. the select committee certainly has its work cut out for, and i'm very confident that they will get to the bottom of everything that happened, both on january 6th in the days and the weeks and the months leading up to that terrible day. >> congressman, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. >>> and don't forget to catch the premiere of the new cnn series "being." that's tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern. cnn's dana bash sits down with democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. again, that's tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. "being a.o.c.." >>> coming up here in "the situation room," as the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan nears completion, five key cities in afghanistan have now fallen to the taliban in just a matter of days. adding this. an aarp m

meanwhile jeffrey rosen, mr. donahue, former do skrchlt official were not. repeatedly in his testimony, mr. clark's actions, in his mind, were inexplicable and doj did not do what the president wanted. the president asked over and over and over again. he also said, to be clear, hallie, the president never threatened him. >> pete, let me go over to you on this. on the financial piece of this, it sounds like house democrats are getting some of what they want but not the whole kit and kaboodle, right? >> reporter: yes. trump's lawyer said his documents were beyond the reach of congress. the court said no, that's not right but some accommodations need to be made to a former president. that's what the judge did yesterday. the house oversight committee can get documents related to the president's ownership of the trump hotel, his lease of that space from the federal government. it can also get two years of records not as broad, as i said, as the committee wanted to look at whether he was violating the ban. the judge said this, he said the committee does not adequat

differently that you led as lead counsel and i wondered after reading the seven hours of testimony mr. rosenurda at the senate judiciary committee if the second impeachment would have ended differently. there were bipartisan votes for impeachment in both cases but they came up short. you come at it from a different view point. as a prosecutor, you think it's time for a criminal investigation and possibly prosecution of him. explain. >> well, i think it's essential to do both. i think congress needs to take a very close look at what happened, because congress can and should pass laws that provide narrower guardrails on our elected officials so that this can't happen again. that's part of the reason why the two voting rights laws are so important, to make sure that there isn't voter suppression, and not only that, that elected officials aren't empowered to overturn the vote of the people. adam schiff has the protect the democracy act which has a lot of reforms in the post-trump world. but none of them go -- those reforms go to what occurred on january 6th and perhaps even more importantly, wha

mr. rosen's deputy at the justice department, rich donahue.hese interviews were done as part of the democrats' never-ending series of investigations into former president trump. their obsession with him has been very consistent. i'll give them that. so, too, are the democrats' public comments that grossly mischaracterize -- at least for now -- the state of the evidence. i'll start with a little history. this country has had to deal with democrats' obsession with destroying trump for much too long. in the process, i fear my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have done and will do lasting damage to our political system. for example, in may 2017, then-ranking member feinstein and i met with then-director comey about crossfire hurricane. at that classified briefing, comey said trump was not under investigation. but that didn't stop the democrats from publicly saying that trump was under investigation. and because comey kept the answer classified, he couldn't and didn't rebut it. but democrats knew it was a lie. and they kept on saying that

what your committee has recently heard from these two high-ranking justice officials, jeffrey rosen and mrwashington. here's the president of the united states basically saying, here's what i want you to do, if you can't do it, i've got somebody to replace you. that's pretty powerful. >> i mean, all this information coming the way from the report last week that jeffrey clark, environmental lawyer, had circulated a letter within the department after the election which he wanted to send to state officials to georgia falsely claiming the justice department had identified signature concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the state of georgia. he was trying to get the doj to wade pressure officials to wade into results. do you think the public grasped how dangerous something like this is? >> i don't think they do. there were so many bizarre twists and turns in the trump administration. the election happened, the president did not accept the results. he went to the courthouses around america looking for a friendly judge. he couldn't find any one

mr. fingerhut: my apologies. iq, senator rosen, and thank you particularly for citing the statistics regarding the percentage of the applications for the nonprofit security grant program that were able to be filled by the existing funding sources. it is under 50%. and i think we have to be honest and say that it's not the -- it's not that the institutions are not aware of the need to take extraordinary measures to secure their facilities. regretfully, i think all faith-based institutions and nonprofit institutions in our country are becoming aware of the threats that they face and particularly, regrettably i must say, it is true of the jewish community which has experienced , the largest percentage of hate crimes, according to fbi statistics of any , religious-based group. but it's now the knowledge and the skill and the ability to fulfill the technical requirements of the applications. i will mention a couple of quick things that i previously mentioned. and i would be more than happy to follow-up with the committee, with your off

would pressure, and try to bully and intimidate department of justice officials from jeffrey rosen, down to mrstate of georgia. to me, it's -- it's simply so -- it -- it's beyond stunning. i -- i keep coming back to the fact that, if -- if any, other elected official had picked up the phone and had a conversation with brad raffensperger, like the president did. and it were publicly revealed. i would have to think that that -- that elected official would be prosecuted by state officials and, perhaps, federal officials. i mean, it is just so stunning, to me, that this could happen in america. that a president could use his office to try to really manipulate the justice department. thank goodness, we have people like mr. pak and -- and others who, you know, held their ground and did their duty and -- and -- and that these institutions, they prevailed. >> charlie, i'm just wondering if -- if any of this is going to make a difference with anything? senate judiciary chairman dig durban wants to interview trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows. what do you think? you think it'll happen? >> well,

mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from nevada. ms. rosen: mr. president, before i begin, i want to take a moment to acknowledge the passing of richard trumka, just as my colleagues have been speaking of him so wonderfully. you know, during his time leading the afl-cio, he was a tireless defender of workers and the rights of working americans all across our country. he recognized the capability of what americans, what they could achieve by working together. he fought fiercely to help build something better for our country and for our country's workforce. my thoughts are with his family and his loved ones, and let us all take an inspiration and lessons from the trail that he blazed. which is why i rise today to discuss a bill that would also help to build something better for our country as well as our country's workers, the infrastructure investment and jobs act. this bipartisan bill is an opportunity for the united states senate to make a major investment in our communities, in our states, in our country. the goal of the g-22 bipartisan working

brad wrassenberger, the secretary of state in georgia, whether it was jeffrey rosen, whether it was mr. donahue taking notes to document what was going on. so we came perilously close. and you are right in that there is no real systematic way of curtailing this. and we come back to an obscure law passed in the 19th century, the electoral count act which really specifies from how we get to the votes on election day through the electoral college to the revelation of the votes in the electoral college, and then to the eventually inauguration of the president. and we have to look back at this, not only hold those accountable, not only look at the crimes that were committed but also look to that document and figure out a way in which this is in essence, coup-proof. >>ia yeah. >> that we can construct guard rails so it is not dependent on good will, that there is an automatic nature to it. that states didn't flip the popular vote. that there isn't a justice department that pressures a state legislature to do this. we need to take a hard look. in katie's reporting i am more convinced than eve

mr. trump's comments out of commence. the instructions reportedly given during a december 27th phone conversation with then acting attorney general rosene. handwritten notes taken by donahue and released by the oversight committee said mr. trump told the doj officials to quote just say the election was corrupt just leave it to me and r congressman. federalists pointed out the comment was addressed toward one specific allegation of fraud in pennsylvania and not the entire election. now to the crisis at the border fox news has learned covid positive migrants being sent to a second hotel without notification to the workers there. stag going numbers of people are trying to get into the country. correspondent bill melugin reports tonight from mission, texas. >> stunning footage from our fox drone team in mission, texas sunday afternoon shows a massive group of migrants. the largest we have ever seen being held by border patrol under the bridge right near a popular rio area a group of at least 1,000 strong waiting in the brutal texas heat to be processed border patrol source tells fox news more than 8,000 migrants were apprehended in the rio

meeting he had with president trump and former-acting attorney general jeffrey rosen, on december 27th. according to the notes, mr rest to me and the r congressmen. r, presumably, refers to his republican allies in congress. now, this punctuated a difficult week for the former president and his family and closest allies. they were hit with a number of legal challenges, including a ruling from the justice department. the doj ordered the former president's tax returns delivered to the house. let's break down these cases with carole lam, she is a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. ms. lam, good to see you. welcome. >> thank you, good to see you. >> what do you make of the release of these notes? and what they say? and not even just what's on those notes. but the fact that the notes were released, at all? >> i find it very extraordinary. and in fact, i'm -- i'm -- i'm sort of impressed. they were released without a lot of hullabaloo. and i think what happened is justice department said, these are notes that, although written by department-of-justice officials who worked at the department of justice

rosen. senator carper, you're recognized for your questions. >> mr. chairman, could i take a moment before i ask a question to say a quick word about our colleague mike enzi. >> absolutely. >> i was new in the senate and providing in the senate and mike enzi got recognition and started speaking and how he and ted kennedy worked so well together. [inaudible] and health education and remarkable job working together and he said during his comments on the floor that day he talked about the 80/20 rule and i didn't know what he was talking about, discussing other context, but i wasn't sure what he was talking about. before i gave a note to one of the pe's to send a note what's the 80/20 rule and ted and i agree with 80% of the stuff before it's committee, and we focus on the 80% that we agree and talk about the other 20% the some other day and it works and as we mourn his loss and his passing and trying to work our way through this discussion, debate on infrastructure and others, a nod to mike on 80/20 rule, maybe something we could pull off the shelf and p

mr. trump's efforts last go around. >> legality me ask you about rosen here for awe moment. they say that jeffrey rosen voluntarily agreed to appear before the committee. "the new york times" reports that rosen also voluntarily reached out to the justice department. should we take way anything from the news that he agreed to do the interviews? >> well, probably. the stuff is troubling him. he wants to talk to investigators and tell them what he knows while fresh on their mund. it will be helpful. by the way, that is what you expect a former attorney general to do. so i take from it that rose enwas deeply troubled by what the president was seek willing. anticipate that rosen wants people at the department of justice, the inspector general and in the congress to know so they can act on it and put in place the fire walls that you spoke of. again, fire walls don't prevent this. men and women do. rosen, whatever his politics is trying to do the rig thing. to let people know what happened and let them know soon and early. >> chuck rose enburg, always a pleasure. thanked, chuck. >>

the testimony of former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and former u.s. attorney in atlanta, mring his own justice department to keep himself in power. in an interview with greg sergeant of "the washington post", congressman raskin declined to say whether the select committee will seek to hear from rosen and clark, the doj official who tried to overturn the results, presumably to avoid tipping the committee's hand. but he noted that these new revelations underscore trump's intent on january 6th with fresh clarity. raskin noted a few days ago that trump's pressure campaign on the doj could potentially lead to criminality. >> we want to get testimony from every material witness. there was clearly a campaign originated with donald trump but sweeping within it the whole executive branch to try to convert the department of justice into an instrument of the president's political will, and that's an extraordinary thing that not only overrides the traditional boundary between what's political in the white house and what is law enforcement in doj, but it really threatens the hatchets. th

mr. clark and things could have turned out very differently, couldn't they? >> yeah, a lot of credit goes here to jeffrey rosenfrey rosen had a very up and down term as deputy attorney general but here he absolutely did the right thing and it's an important reminder of the importance of the justice department as a check on the run away powers of the president and i think it's so important that we not go numb here because we've seen so much reporting on this and it's sort of started to become a drum beat. we see that the president tried to weapon nize doj to steal thi election. there is nothing normal and acceptable. it's an act of disloyalty by donald trump, rey clark. it needs to stick with them for history and there needs to be real consequences. >> jeffrey clark is the trump loyalest at the center of this and abc news has gotten a letter showing he tried to meddle in the georgia election. he was vying for the job in the hours long oval office meeting jessica describes as "apprentice" style and wants to replace him with clark and trying to overturn the election there. the on consequences of all of t could ha

luckily for our democracy, rosen and donoghue did not sign off on that letter from mr. clark.in fact georgia did three audits. there was no fraud. joining our conversation, frank figliuzzi, host of the bureau podcast. also joining us former congresswoman donna edwards, and neal katyal is here, former affecting solicitor general and georgetown law professor. all three msnbc contributors. neal, i have to start with you and colonel vindman's experience of having his nose pressed right up to the glass of donald trump's corruption and then pull the thread all the way through to that call that we all heard, i believe it was the sunday before the tuesday insurrection of donald trump pressuring georgia's election officials to overturn the results in that state. what are your thoughts as the ex-president's corruption and maniacal attempt to undermine our democracy and stay in power come into fuller focus. >> well, i think what we're learning and from particularly the emails and letter today from jeff clark, who was president trump's acting assistant attorney general in the civil divisi

was after attorney general acting rosen had come in many thinking president trump was going to give that time. he wasn't. it looked like the pressure was intense. and mrsending the e-mail trying to get involved in it with the doj into georgia after these election fraud claims have been debunked. that's really concerning. if there's a connection that is drawn between mr. trump directly pressuring mr. clark to circulate the memo and effort, it would be even more evidence against mr. trump having tried to directly interfere with the doj operation. >> you know timeline here is so critical. not only after there was a push behind closed doors by trump to investigate the election and election fraud. in big air quotes. the capitol riot then happened. explain how deep the investigation could dive into trump's meddling efforts within the doj. >> right. we have to look at how late it goes into 2020 and early into 2021. because we have evidence that the doj had done the investigation and had determined there was not a basis to interfere with what georgia was doing in the ultimate certification process. you have to remember, though, legal basis was relatively schi

both rosen and donohue told investigators they don't know if clark was acting at trump's belast or a plot he concocted himself. they will pursue mrin and tell his side of the story but not clear if he'll cooperate. >> thank you. >>> ""outfront" now a member of the house select committee investigating the deadly insurrection on january 6th. congressman, here is a little more of what your colleagues in the senate had to say after that testimony. >> that is something that goes back to the start of my tenure. >> how directly voiinvolved the president was and the pressure is real, very real. >> what impact do you think public testimony from rosen and donohue could have especially in terms of efforts to combat these months of election lies? >> well, i think what it does is it shows very clearly that the efforts that were underway before january 6th to subvert democracy and so that's exactly what chairman disurban indicate and the committee looks forword to seeing, as well. >> the former president is calling this a fake election on fox news a day after the homeland of security warned about an increase of calls for violence online tied t

mr. spears intends to work with the court and his daughter's new attorney to prepare for an orderly transition to a new conservator. britney spears getting a the faer fbuse.s gone matthew rosen lawyer do all of these develop its mean the free brittany movement is -- with your gma first look, i am kaylee hartung, abc news los angeles. kumasi: cases have been linked to lollapalooza. that is a large percentage of the people who attended two weeks ago. officials say that it did not turn into a super-spreader event like many feared. attendees had to provide proof of vaccination or a recently negative covid test. julian: that's good news because we saw those crowds, and they were packed. coming up at 5:30, shout till you drop may be a thing of the past. kumasi: and covid testing for students. san francisco unified's plan to start a new school year monday. julian: the shift in thinking from a radical covid to managing it. a local announcer: building a better bay area, moving forward, finding solutions. this is abc 7 news. julian: 3000 u.s. troops heading back to afghanistan. the white house response to the growing crisis. >> we all have to do our part. we need to get vaccinated. ku

we do know that mr. rosen very --rosenberry has had some losses and his family. i believe his mother recently passed away. we spoke with members of his family and there were other issues that he was dealing with. we will have more on that at a later time. >> [indiscernible] >> according to his family, we are not aware of any military background. >> [indiscernible] >> again, it is an active scene that we are trying to render safe in terms of any explosives. that is still ongoing. >> how long do you think that will take? >> [indiscernible] >> not that we are aware of. >> [indiscernible] >> hours. it will take hours to assess the scene. >> [indiscernible] >> no. >> [indiscernible] >> all of that is part of what will be part of the investigation. i just wanted to report that he is in custody and that that part of it is done. >> [indiscernible] >> not at this point, no. >> [indiscernible] >> he gave up and it did not resist. they were able to taken into custody without issue. >> [indiscernible] >> we had spoken with him, but when we delivered the phone, there were no

rosen: mr. president, last summer the united states saw up close the horrific damage that wildfire can do to our communities. in 2020, nearly 300,000 acres in nevada burned to the ground. right now -- the presiding officer: please take your conversations off the floor. ms. rosen: right now, the tamarack fire is devastating the nevada-california border and local communities. these natural disasters have done real lasting damage to our nation's highways, causing cracks, potholes, and in some cases literally melting the roads that we drive on. my colleague senator risch and i offer this bipartisan amendment to the infrastructure investment and jobs act, which would add wildfires as specified damage for which federal assistance from the national highway performance program may be used to rebuild our highways. this will increase the resiliency of the national highway system, helping to mitigate the cost of the damages. i ask my colleagues to support this amendment. the presiding officer: is there fur