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mr. rosenstein to have veto power every step of the way. if mr. senstein rebuffs the president's commands, mr. trump could replace him with a loyalist who will follow his instructions. neither bill deals with these scenarios and yes, sir they are the likeliest avenues for mr. trump to interfere with mr. mueller's work. joining us now, coauthor of that op-ed in the new york times. also, eli, and msnbc political analyst. daniel, first of all, i want to go to this report of communication between the president and robert mueller indirectly through the president's lawyer and the president's lawyer used the phrase back and forth. in a way that is unclear. what do you make of that? what are the ethics of that? >> these are difficult words to parse. i think it would be entirely proper for the target of an investigation to have communications. with the prosecutor. and i'm glad that president trump expressed his appreciation for robert mueller. i should we should all appreciate the work robert mueller is doing. >> is it proper to have communication with the

mr. rosenstein to say no if, for example, as happened in the clinton administration, where you had a real estate deal, and then it suddenly turned into somebody let them know there might be a blue dress. and he expanded the investigation. i think you can't say no if someone comes forward to the trusted special prosecutor and admits some kind of criminal act. i don't think the attorney general or the acting attorney general or anyone at the department of justice can say no to that. >> let's listen to something else that rosenstein was asked about, and that is what is and is not a presidential order when it comes to the justice department? let's listen to this. >> and the president, because he can order the justice department to do things, when he says here's what prosecutors should be doing, they should be looking at hillary clinton, do you view that as an order? >> no, chris. i view what the president says publicly as something he said publicly. if the president wants to giffords to us in the department, he does that privately, and then if we have any feedback, we provide it to him. i can

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mr. rosenstein is doing something he thinks it is important. he referred repeatedly to doing the right thing and his goal was to do the right thing. >> imagine the pressure on all of these players, the fbi, special council, all of the cocouncils he has hired. here we are day 200. when we reach 300 will the them still be russia? >> there are deep concerns in the law enforcement community, in the justice department about preserving the integrity of the institution and also explaining how this is all unfolding. when you ask where we'll be in day 300, you get the sense they stepped in because attorney sessions recused himself. so by putting himself out there rosenstein is trying to better explain where this institution that may be a bit fragile because of these investigations stands. >> kellyann conway said >> there are deep concerns in the law enforcement community, in the justice department about preserving the integrity of the institution and also explaining how this is all unfolding. when you ask where we'll be in day 300, you get the sense the

mr. rosenstein. you have to stoop pretty low to go after bob mueller. and someone appointed by a republican, kept on by a democratic president. it is really just chipping away at the faith the people have. >> are you trying to frequent special counsel from possible termination by the president? is there any activity like that in the house? >> in the house judiciary committee, believe it or not, we tried a couple weeks ago, a person from washington wanted to get some oversight on the investigation. and her effort was hijacked by the republicans and they took the legislation to have more oversight and more guardrails in place. what was brought out of the committee baltimore the spounl should be brought up to investigate hillary clinton and the e-mail incident. it is just remarkable, what they take away as being important. so no. >> tow you have tom tillis, a republican from north carolina, not associated with any kind of never trump fashion in politics. he is on board for this. i think lindsey graham as well. you're not seeing that. >> we're still waiting

mr. rosenstein is doing something, it's because he thinks it's important to getting the job done in that interview with chris wallace, he referred repeatedly to doing the right thing and his goal was to do the right thing. >> robert costa, just imagine the pressure on all of these players, the department of justice, the fbi, the special counsel, all the co-counsels he has hired. and imagine, here we are day 200. when we reach day 300, will the central theme of this administration still be russia? >> there are deep concerns, brian, in the law enforcement community, in the justice department, about preserving the integrity and the institution and also explaining how this is all unfolding. you ask where will we be on day 300? i've been covering attorney general sessions over the past few weeks. they feel like a lot of the people in this country don't understand how rosenstein stepped in to appoint mueller because attorney general sessions recused himself. by putting himself out there, rosenstein, i'm told, is just trying to better explain where this institution that may be a bit fragile bec

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mr. rosenstein was talking about over the weekend and what obviously judge star was talking about as wells in some sense are fishing for the facts and evidence whether or not a crime committed. >> it sounds good, but it really -- >> it's kind of a misnomer because in some sense, one way to look at it is that a grand jury by virtue of it's charter in some sense is a fishing expedition. you don't want prosecutors just with sort of freelines roaming all around in places where they're not supposed to be. and this is a special counsel with a singular task which was the russia collusion investigation to the extent that it strays far from it's mandate and to get an expansion. >> you said he has a mandate to russia and anything for that. he has the authority for what the third was -- >> false statements and perjury. things that would interfere or impede his investigation. he's entitled -- >> false statements, obstruction of justice, perjury. >> i'm going to keep that note. that's important. john, president clinton was ultimately forced to testify before a grand jury. could president trump be comp

mr. rosenstein because the attorney general has recused himself in these matters -- would have to do it.nd i don't imagine he would do it. i don't think that's good policy. i'm sure that the president's advisers are recommending that he not do that. >> are you sure? because kellyanne conway was on cnn last night saying she likened this to a fishing expedition. >> i think the facts should go where they go. i'm not sure we should go back to the 1980s, but certainly we should cover the 2016 election. >> also today, there are leaked documents, transcripts from president trump's phone calls with foreign leaders. i want to read you one piece of exchange with the mexican president pena nieto. this is about the border wall. pena nieto says my condition continues to be very firm that mexico cannot pay for that wall. president trump says but you cannot say that to the press. the press is going to go with that and i cannot live with that. >> in other words, the president telling the mexican president not to tell the truth there. >> it was a back-and-forth between two presidents and their positions

mr. rosenstein was talking about over the weekend and what obviously judge starr was talking about as wellhen was that a fishing expedition into clinton or no? >> i always smile when people talk about fishing expeditions. investigations, in some sense, are fishing for facts and evidence to determine whether or not a crime has been committed and who may have committed it. >> so this fishing, it sounds good but -- >> it's kind of a misnomer in one since, because a grand jury by nature of its charter is in some sense a fishing expedition. you don't want prosecutors with free license roaming all around in place where is they are not supposed to be. and this is a special counsel which is specially constituted with regard to a singular task which is the russia collusion investigation. to the extent that it strays far from its mandate, it's just wise in the political process to go back to the attorney general, or in this case the deputy attorney general. >> let me ask you this. you said that anything that directly from that he has the authority for what -- >> obstruction of justice, false stateme

mr. rosenstein, what specifically is the department of justice doing to accelerate the hiring of new immigration judges? >> thank you, senator. this has been one of my top rarities, i have been on the job for the past recs weeks -- in the past six weeks -- >> could you bring the mic up to you a little bit? >> i learned about the extraordinary backlog in immigration cases and it has been one of my talk priorities, to address that. i am asking for more money to enhance budget -- border security enforcement. i believe it is approximately and $75 million to which ishe backlog approaching as the chairman mentioned, 600,000. include $7 million to prosecute violation of immigration law, and i also need additional attorneys and the civil diversion -- division. in regard to the backlog, senator, we are very focused on that. the only challenge we had was some bureaucratic delays in the ining of vacancies in riyadh filling those positions, and their support personnel, we are also extraditing higher immigration judges to fill the existent vacancies. we are going to make it a top priority to put an end to th

mr. trump would have to direct the deputy attorney general rod rose rosenstein to fire mr. mueller and if he decided not to do that to resign instead we would have political chaos and we would go back to saturday night massacre. the reason why the president has used about replacing sessions is attorney general sessions is normally the person but is recused on the russian matters. >> okay. thanks so much. appreciate it. >> pleasure. >> thank you. >>> another day of big news in washington. >> yes. today we learned ath name of a wanted man shot to -- learned the nail of a wanted man shot -- name of a wanted man shot by police. his name is jeffrey barboa he was a suspect in a armed robbery. vallejo police tried to pull him over. when he refused they pursued him to rich pond where a police car crashed into his vehicle. investigators say after the crash he got out of his car holding a mashedy. they ordered him to jump it and he ignore the complains and five officers opened fire and killed him. -- >>> the washington company behind bars on suspicion of sex crimes. they were caught

rosenstein. he set the parameters of this investigation. so in a sense mr. trump is responsible. >> right.ith bill clinton, the public stuck with bill clinton. >> and they are not sticking with mr. trump, and that's a really interesting and political problem. because part of this is political should it ever get to up people. . impeachment. >> but prosecutors stumble across some financial irregularity that has nothing to do with russia or even the election, would they pursue it, i mean, from a legal standpoint? gloria, would they? >> it really depends on what it is. what happened with the nixon years is that as they were investigating nixon, they found all of these other irregularities and of course, obstruction of justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice was actually the charge. but the executive privilege issue was the issue that stopped them cold. so this issue of whether or not they could go after a sitting president for any other criminal reason was never decided. it was left in abeyance because they already had what they wanted, which was the tape. >> here's what is likely to happen. t

rosenstein. what did he do when asked about entity go through the process of evaluating whether mr.intment is subject to scrutiny or skepticism as a result of comey's misconduct and leaking those documents to get a special counsel appointed. he's got to be asking questions about how he was put in there and asking questions presumably of the witness that he's using mr. mueller about whether he did anything wrong. it's not so much about investigating president trump in collusion is investigating comey in the circumstances of mr. mueller's employment. i don't see how he can do it. it's about time for the justice department to get this investigation back under control. you can have a special counsel but not a rogue prosecutor like mueller seems to be. >> sean: you can't get another control it's not just speech was a conflict of interest, it's rod rosenstein. he is both prosecutor and witness in this particular case. he authored the memo telling the president to fire jim comey, how can he be fair and impartial and evaluate the impartiality of robert mueller? both men should step aside. >

mr. mueller and his team out of the shadows and into the publicç square. do you agree with that request? >> juan: no, absolutely not. rod rosenstein in charge of this investigation. if rod rosenstein felt that mueller was out of control and spending money wiley and impaling a grand jury without justification is not necessary, you would see rod rosenstein say slow down. to get the political people involved at this point, it's basically saying, we don't like this investigation. i remember when people hadç questions earlier and coming up with issuing statements. it looked like something was being done to undercut the power of this investigation. >> sandra: someone has to look out for the taxpayer, right? >> melissa: absolutely. number one, when to start these, they get bigger and number to call, they don't result in anything happening. they may come out with this finding there is no point and starting them and there'sç no point in stopping them. i've watched so many now. >> marie: clinton got impeached because of one. >> melissa: there is a lot different since then. >> harris: what would we expect the special counsel to tell us in