mr. rotenberg if i could and mr. cate, the 9th circuit court of appeals has allowed tsa pat downs deemed as legal as long as it is close limited in its intronsiveness -- intrusiveness. >> very briefly. about the 9th and 3rd circuit said that these techniques have to be minimally invasive and effective, and our case against the tsa is, in fact, they meet neither test. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would just echo that and add that when the national academy of sciences panel met for two years to look at the question of programs such as this, it recommended dooms of a framework that congress requires agencies wanting to deploy equipment like this to determine both intrusiveness and effectiveness. they do it on the record with goals and do it in a way to congress can provide oversight despite the fact that tsa paid for the study, they have not implemented the framework. >> thank you. i recognize the gentleman from massachusetts. >> i just want to comment, mr. chairman, the panel did a great job of keeping the time better

mr. rotenberg if i could and mr. cate, the 9th circuit court of appeals has allowed tsa pat downs deemed as legal as long as it is close limited in its intronsiveness -- intrusiveness. >> very briefly. about the 9th and 3rd circuit said that these techniques have to be minimally invasive and effective, and our case against the tsa is, in fact, they meet neither test. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would just echo that and add that when the national academy of sciences panel met for two years to look at the question of programs such as this, it recommended dooms of a framework that congress requires agencies wanting to deploy equipment like this to determine both intrusiveness and effectiveness. they do it on the record with goals and do it in a way to congress can provide oversight despite the fact that tsa paid for the study, they have not implemented the framework. >> thank you. i recognize the gentleman from massachusetts. >> i just want to comment, mr. chairman, the panel did a great job of keeping the time better

mr. rotenberg if i could and mr. cate, the 9th circuit court of appeals has allowed tsa pat downs deemed as legal as long as it is close limited in its intronsiveness -- intrusiveness. >> very briefly. about the 9th and 3rd circuit said that these techniques have to be minimally invasive and effective, and our case against the tsa is, in fact, they meet neither test. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would just echo that and add that when the national academy of sciences panel met for two years to look at the question of programs such as this, it recommended dooms of a framework that congress requires agencies wanting to deploy equipment like this to determine both intrusiveness and effectiveness. they do it on the record with goals and do it in a way to congress can provide oversight despite the fact that tsa paid for the study, they have not implemented the framework. >> thank you. i recognize the gentleman from massachusetts. >> i just want to comment, mr. chairman, the panel did a great job of keeping the time better