mr. rothenberg, how rigorous is the certification process of the attorney general and the director of national intelligence regarding the authorization of a surveillance program under title 7 of fisa? has the fisa court ever rejected an application under title 7? >> well, that's a very good question, congresswoman, and i couldn't answer it because the information is not made available to the public. there are statutory provisions as to the contents of the report that are made available to your committee and here's the information made available to the public. it's a two-page letter and sent at the end of april every year from the attorney general to the speaker and to the president of the senate and this is what we use about the issue of fisa authority in recommending that more information be made available to the public about the use of fisa, we were suggesting's part that would make it possible to evaluate the adequacy of the oversight techniques that may be working, by the way. i'm not suggesting that there is a competency or systemic problem here, but you see, it is a small number of peopl