roche responded to that -- mr. rove responded to that. he joins us now. the biggest topic of interest to me was the claim prior to the enactment of the stimulus, that unemployment would not go above 8%, and here we are at 9.5%. >> the unemployment rate is higher today than they forecasted it would be if nothing were done. government forecasts for a fee, but we were sold a bill of goods -- government forecasts are iffy, but we were sold a bill of goods. the president said we would be putting out this money right away. it would go out the door immediately, he said. we are six months into this. the unemployment rate is now 20% higher than they said it would be if we did nothing, and according to their own numbers,

so, mr. rove, what say you? >> i want to see the whole report. what we saw in the "wall street journal" today was a leak of a report. i frankly do not think our current economic circumstances are traceable to oil speculation. i think the role of two government chartered enterprises, fannie mae and freddie mac in buying and enabling lots of bad actors in the real estate market to mortgages to hermine owho didn't deserve to have them much bigger problem. bill: you are much like me in this regard you are a linear a, b, c, d, guy. if you shock the american economy by raising gas prices to $2 to $4 a gallon in a short period of time, which is what happened, and people, working class people have to take money that they spent on other things and put it in their gas tank, in order to heat their homes, you take the money out of the overall economy. you soften it up, ok that's

where am i going wrong here, mr. rove. >> i thought it was interesting when senator schumer introduced judge sotomayor that he clearly put her in the camp of ruth bader ginsburg and she herself identified clearly with ruth bader ginsburg. what you left out of your introduction was the central role of the judge sotomayor played in this whole drama. after all, she is the judge on the court of appeals who writes the opinion dismissing the claims of the new haven firefighters who were denied promotions because they happened to be latino or white. she did so in a way that even drew the ire of people who agreed with her. the judge for example on the appellate court with her condemned the manner in which she had just dismissed the constitutional claims of the firefighters without giving them due deference. some of the minority in the supreme court decision also held that the actions of the court of appeals, a panel that she led, were inappropriate in not giving -- bill: i don't think ms. society mayor is going -- ms. sonia sotom

roche responded to that -- mr. rove responded to that. he joins us now. the biggest topic of interest to me was the claim prior to the enactment of the stimulus, that unemployment would not go above 8%, and here we are at 9.5%. >> the unemployment rate is higher today than they forecasted it would be if nothing were done. government forecasts for a fee, but we were sold a bill of goods -- government forecasts are iffy, but we were sold a bill of goods. the president said we would be putting out this money right away. it would go out the door immediately, he said. we are six months into this. the unemployment rate is now 20% higher than they said it would be if we did nothing, and according to their own numbers, they have only put 7.7% of the stimulus out on the street. this was badly designed, and it has not yet stimulated the economy. in fact, i think it is retarding economic growth. shepard: what is your observation about why it is that so little of this money has made its way into the pipeline? >> because of the nature of the program. stimulus' bills a

we begin with mr. rove and ms palin. ary committee over 8 1/2 hours deposedarl rove andnitially subpoenaed him in 2007 andnvestigation into nine u.s. attorneys that were fired and were they politically motivated because th attorneys were not serving the political administration? savannah guthrie hat latest of the sto from rome wre the present is attending the g but comeack to that. what is yourhoughts on what is going on th mr. rove, savannah? >> well, this is inresting, you know? every since ts storybroke, the folks onthe hill, democrats the hill anyway ha really wanted to get rove before the committee, rove and harriett mis. now it seems they've had their ways. he has testified hind closed doors. it is t unde oath but iis under penalty of perjury. you can't e to federal authorities and cannot give falsstatement. it's not done yet. i'm told he has anoth moment before the committee, probably at the end of the mon and they still have the option to call him publicly for public testimony before the mmittee. we'll see if that

entirely confidtial until all the interviews were comple out of reect for that term of the agreement, mr. rove is not commenting. respectful. took him nearly two years to him to comment to the investigats. the rove w first subpoenaed in 20, but the bush white house exerted executive privege for rove. the firings began to takshape in 2005, witthen white house uncil myers, alberto gonzalez, and kyle samson tag about replacing all 93 u.s. attorneys. when they figured out that that might have beetoo obvious, the triolleged settled upon firing eight of e prosecutors in 2006. but it was rove that actually came up with the ia. firsmys and sampson, finally gonzalezas resned. rove has not been touched, possibly, that is til now. he's expected to appear befo the commtee for a second time bere the end of the month. let's turn to the washington editor o"the nation" magazine, chrihayes. so which is is is this e start of something big,r a postscript? >> i hope it's the former, but i fear it's the latter. coteemen -- the chairman john conyers has shown an mirablfidelity to truth and accountability and think

so, mr. rove, what say you? >> i want to see the whole report. what we saw in the "wall street journal" today was a leak of a report. i frankly do not think our current economic circumstances are traceable to oil speculation. i think the role of two government chartered enterprises, fannie mae and freddie mac in buying and enabling lots of bad actors in the real estate market to mortgages to hermine owho didn't deserve to have them much bigger problem. bill: you are much like me in this regard you are a linear a, b, c, d, guy. if you shock the american economy by raising gas prices to $2 to $4 a gallon in a short period of time, which is what happened, and people, working class people have to take money that they spent on other things and put it in their gas tank, in order to heat their homes, you take the money out of the overall economy. you soften it up, ok that's exactly what happened here. >> i'm not certain that's exactly what happened. bill: speculators did it. >> it is not beyond a reasonable doubt. look, last summer, when this was all ha

mr. chairman. under the one rove riding and forsen modeled we wanted to be as easy as possible to bring the cases to enforce the cfp rules. the commission recommends a short time we would want to look at that very seriously. we think a waiver process could help there. the commission in the cfpa could agree that this kind of case, we don't need to know in advance of these other cases when a shorter period. >> filcher's time is up in the chair recognizes the ranking member, mr. radanovich. >> mr. calkins, the proposed legislation provides a coverage entity to include those who provide tax planning, financial and other related advisory services or provide educational courses and instructional materials to consumers. pbs often runs such a programming on tv for their audiences as to financial cable stations and radio stations. with these entities be covered persons under the proposed

entirely confidentialntil a the intervws were complete out of reect for that term of the agreement, mr. rove is n commenting. respectful. it took him nearly two years to get him to comme to the investigors. rove was first subpoenaed byhe committee in 200 but the bush whithouse exerted ecutive privilege for rove. and then white house counsel harriet miers. after that only did rovealon the record the firings began to takshape in 2005, witthen white house council myers, alberto gonzalez, and ky samson talking about replacing all 93 u.sattorns. when they figureout that that mighhave been too obvious, the trio allegedly settled un firing eight of the osecutors in 2006. but was rove that actually came up with the ide first myers ansampson, finally gonzal has resigned. rove has n been touched, possibly, that is until now. he's expecteto appear before the committee for a seco time before thend of the month. let's turn to the washington editor of "theation" magazine, chs hayes. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> so which is this? is this the start ofomething big, or a postscript? >> i hope it t

in an op-ed in today's "wall street journal," mr. rovean do far better. quote, house republicans offered an alternative recovery package of immediate tax cuts and safety net measure that is cost half as much as mr. obama's stimulus program. republicans have also calculated their plans would have created 50% more jobs than the stimulus. here to face off are democratic strategist peter and republican strategist alex. alex, given that the republicans, the house republicans in particular, are at about 23% approval rating, wouldn't it be smarter for karl rove to say here is what the plan is than to try to make some claims about what the republicans say their plan might do? >> no. i think actually the republican plan would have cut taxes immediately. it would have put money into the economy immediately. whereas president obama and the democrats' plan is a long two, three-year plan that is slowly spending money. >> one second though, alex. it only puts money into the economy if they take their tax cut and spend it. if they put it in the bank, un

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mr. chairman. under the one rove riding and forsen modeled we wanted to be as easy as possible to bring the cases torce the cfp rules. the commission recommends a short time we would want to look at that very seriously. we think a waiver process could help there. the commission in the cfpa could agree that this kind of case, we don't need to know in advance of these other cases when a shorter period. >> filcher's time is up in the chair recognizes the ranking member, mr. radanovich. >> mr. calkins, the proposed legislation provides a coverage entity to include those who provide tax planning, financial and other related advisory services or provide educational courses and instructional materials to consumers. pbs often runs such a programming on tv for their audiences as to financial cable stations and radio stations. with these entities be covered persons under the proposed legislation in your opinion? >> certainly there is a risk that they would be covered persons. certainly the commission would have to think about whether it is required to transfer responsibility for all of those and very importan

mr. chairman. under the one rove riding and forsen modeled we wanted to be as easy as possible to bring the cases torce the cfp rules. the commission recommends a short time we would want to look at that very seriously. we think a waiver process could help there. the commission in the cfpa could agree that this kind of case, we don't need to know in advance of these other cases when a shorter period. >> filcher's time is up in the chair recognizes the ranking member, mr. radanovich. >> mr. calkins, the proposed legislation provides a coverage entity to include those who provide tax planning, financial and other related advisory services or provide educational courses and instructional materials to consumers. pbs often runs such a programming on tv for their audiences as to financial cable stations and radio stations. with these entities be covered persons under the proposed legislation in your opinion? >> certainly there is a risk that they would be covered persons. certainly the commission would have to think about whether it is required to transfer responsibility for all of those and very importan

classified information, even though rove and cheney were at the center of leaking the covert operative valerie plame's identity. alberto gonzalez also not denying mr. panetta's story, but claiming he can't talk about it because it's classified. circumspect now after the bush justice had found out that he had handled highly classified documents. but fourth, miss cheney, and most obscenely, you kept us safe for eight years? you let 3,000 people die. your father delayed his first long-requested meeting about al qaeda, wait until september 10th. your president told the cia agent who tried to warn him about al qaeda on august 6th that he was just covering his ass, you know, lying. let's bring in msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson, also pulitzer prize winning columnist of "the washington post." eugene, good evening. >> evening, keith. >> the right wing is now saying the cia is lying when it lied because the cia never lies? >> this is like one of those logic puzzles. you know, i am lying now, but you can't be lying, you must be telling the truth. it's a ridiculous position, i think, that is being taken here by liz cheney and one supposes, by dick c

besides karl rove james carville is probably the closest thing in this country to a political consultant who is a household name. mring bill clinton's campaign for president. he's gone on since to be a very successful campaign guy, a very successful media guy, and a guy who is a democrat who is very famously married to a republican who does the same job as him. well, now the new presidential campaign that james carville is working on is for a guy who's running for president of afghanistan. he's running for president of afghanistan against hamid karzai. james carville is the political consultant for the former finance minister of afghanistan. james carville has been doing things like saying in interviews that karzai is incompetent. meanwhile, hillary clinton is secretary of state. how's that for an awkward moment the next time secretary clinton is supposed to meet hamid karzai? madame secretary looking forward to these negotiations. perhaps you could first remove the teeth of your consigliare from my ankle. the elections are in less than a month and because this is afghanistan there are pretty amazing details about

mr. president, what are you looking at there? >> what i saw is what i saw. >> i was scared out of my mind. sean: and the search for elusive creatures known as werewolves, and karl rove and mike huckabee, "hannity" starts right now. as a second bill sweeps through congress, the wasteful bills are now coming back to haunt democrats. during the debate over the first stimulus, the president and democratic leaders including princess pelosi denied that any earmarks or pet projects would be included in the bill, but now we know that is a flat out lie, it is not true. in fact, one of the pet projects that republicans criticized the most was funding for the protection of an endangered rodent called the salt marsh harvest mouse that happens to, by the way, live in in nancy pelosi's district. she long denied it would be in the bill, and several months ago her office said the speaker nor her staff had any involvement in this initiative. this is another contrived partisan attack, but as minority leader john boehner revealed at a press conference in washington, it turns out this was no partisan talking point. >> the democrats claim no, no, we're not going to fund this, it's not i

mr. president, what are you looking at there? >> what i saw is what i saw. >> i was scared out of my mind. sean: and the search for elusive creatures known as werewolves, and karl rove and mike huckabee, "hannity" starts right now. as a second bill sweeps through congress, the wasteful bills are now coming back to haunt democrats. during the debate over the first stimulus, the president and democratic leaders including princess pelosi denied that any earmarks or pet projects would be included in the bill, but now we know that is a flat out lie, it is not true. in fact, one of the pet projects that republicans criticized the most was funding for the protection of an endangered rodent called the salt marsh harvest mouse that happens to, by the way, live in in nancy pelosi's district. she long denied it would be in the bill, and several months ago her office said the speaker nor her staff had any involvement in this initiative. this is another contrived partisan attack, but as minority leader john boehner revealed at a press conference in washington, it turns out this was no partisan talking point. >> the democrats claim no, no, we're not going to fund this, it's not i

mr. clucky, but the bike riding rooster is not going down without a fight. steve: what's happening this weekend, the boys are here? >> coming up, karl rove fear. >> also some very good news for all you parents out there like myself, a potential cure for colic could be on the way, and we'll tell you what causes all of that crying as well. >> does that work for you as sfwhel. >> yes. >> plus mary joe buttafuoco is going to be here, and she says there are warning signs that you're living with a sociopath. she's going to tell us what they are. all that and so much more on "fox & friends weekend." go climb a tree. or discover things you've only read about. get the gear to get it done at bass pro shops. like the body glove method life vest for only $19.94. and take 33% off all remaining towables. like the body glove method life vest for only $19.94. spend 10 minutes a month with natural instincts. it's the healthier way to blend away gray and give you color that shines on. how? the antioxidant rich ammonia-free formula feels good and looks even better. in fact, the more often you use natural instincts, the healthier your hair looks. it's the h