. >> bill: we have a brand-new fox news poll to tell mr. rove and you about. roey leingma45 48maat gwi among likely independent voters, romney ahead 44 to 32. look at tha 25% still undecided in the independent range. a queson, are you certain you ll v mn s a, ct ahead, should pbs, big bird, elmo and the crew be getting 0 million-dollar a year from we the people? actor lassar burton says yes. and then ben affleck has a new film on iran,omt afk bnom a oohooo....hahaahahah! oh...there you go. wooohaah m a d tr! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fiftn mites uld y eercore. manceho y make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ heldocrs tbinsby ofrefoio ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and servic to help you solve it. as k t ibi obanttneer etth faler should fund the corporation for public broadcasting which will get $45

mr. rove was right that night. that was game over for john mccain. by winning the great state of ohio, barack obama won the presidency. mr. obama closed off john mccain's path to the white house by taking that one giantly important swing state, and it was all over. in presidential politics ohio is a must-win. for republicans, winning ohio, it doesn't guarantee you will win the white house, it's not enough just to win ohio, obviously, but it is necessary to win ohio. if you lose that state, you will lose the presidency. it is the hinge, it is the glue for every republican presidential campaign in modern american history. losing ohio has meant losing the white house. in 2004 the democratic candidate john kerry -- you might remember this -- he did not concede on election night. john kerry and john edwards were waiting on results from ohio. when ohio went to president bush, the next day, the day after election night, that is when that race was over but not a minute before. ohio is that important in modern presidential politics. look at this, both the rom

. >> bill: we have a brand-new fox news poll to tell mr. rove and you about. romney leading obama 46-45 before the debate. 48-43 obama. big swing. among likely independent voters, romney ahead 44 to 32. look at that. 25% still undecided in the independent range. a question, are you certain you will vote? romney scores 86. obama, 31. directly ahead, should pbs, big bird, elmo and the crew be getting 450 million-dollar a year from we the people? actor lassar burton says yes. and then ben affleck has a new film on iran, somewhat controversial. affleck and burton moments away o >> bill: personal story segment, as you know, there is a big brawl going on between president obama and mitt romney over whether the federal government should fund the corporation for public broadcasting which will get $450 million next year alone. big bird has become the symbol of the fight. there is a lot more going on besides big bird. joining us from los angeles, lavar burton who was the host for 26 years. i know you're deeply emotionally involved with this and your point of view what?

. >> bill: we have a brand-new fox news poll to tell mr. rove and you about. romney leading obama 46-45 before the debate. 48-43 obama. big swing. among likely independent voters, romney ahead 44 to 32. look at that. 25% still undecided in the independent range. a question, are you certain you will vote? romney scores 86. obama, 31. directly ahead, should pbs, big bird, elmo and the crew be getting 450 million-dollar a year from we the people? actor lassar burton says yes. and then ben affleck has a new film on iran, somewhat controversial. affleck and burton moments away o i was having trouble getting out of bed in the morning because my back hurt so bad. the sleep number bed conforms to you. i wake up in the morning with no back pain. i can adjust it if i need to...if my back's a little more sore. and by the time i get up in the morning, i feel great! if you have back pain, toss and turn at night or wake up tired with no energy, the sleep number bed could be your solution. the sleep number bed's secret is it's air chambers which provide ideal support and put

or does mr. rove have a point?o big a deal in that it's hard to argue that debates reveal apty tuesdays that are pertinent to the performance of presidential duties. they're not semiconstitutional events. you cannot become president without participating. clearly, in close elections, '60, '76, 2000, it's plauzable to say they caused enough change to be the margin of difference. with regard to this year's, it's too soon to say if the surge romney got is enough or not. if it is durable, it will be because what happens in debates that matter, they catalyze and inchoate feeling they had and it becomes articulate, present, powerful. >> donna, you were campaign manager for vice president al gore. >> didn't want to have an audible sigh. i was holding my breath for fear i might have trouble with the handsome men to my left. god forbid what happens if the two of us are ever on "dancing with the stars." i'll take the lead, by the way. there's no question they do matter. because millions of viewers are tuning in for the first

. >> bill: we have a brand-new fox news poll to tell mr. rove and you about. romney leading obama 46-45 before the debate. 48-43 obama. big swing. among likely independent voters, romney ahead 44 to 32. look at that. 25% still undecided in the independent range. a question, are you certain you will vote? romney scores 86. obama, 31. directly ahead, should pbs, big bird, elmo and the crew be getting 450 million-dollar a year from we the people? actor lassar burton says yes. and then ben affleck has a new film on iran, somewhat controversial. affleck and burton moments away ! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fif

we'll tell you the key issue mr. rove says the president is losing on. a look ahead to next week's big monday night showdown. >> i love these debates, you know. these things are yate. and, -- great. i think it is interesting that the president still doesn't have an agenda for a second term. don't you think that it its time for him to finally put together a vision of what he would do in the next four years if he were elected. he has got to the come up with that over this weekend because there is only one debate left on monday.es just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. d bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than a

mr. karl rove. he runs something called data trust.t like electronic drones, knocking out and challenging the votes the ballots and the registration almost exclusively of minority voters. >> jennifer: how does that work. i don't get it. how does that electronically happen. i don't understand the mechanism. >> there's two ways. for example, i was the reporter that broke the story for bbc of how katherine harris back in 2000 knocked off tens of thousands of black voters off the voter rolls. she called them felons. they were criminals. they were voting while black. that game is back. what they do is they take databases of convicted felons and they use a name. a common black name like robert moore and they knock off all of the black robert moores on the voter rolls of florida. in fact, in the current list, this is not katherine harris. this is the current list. a convict named robert moore who is white by the way resulted in the removal of mrs. bobby moore from the voter rolls of florida. that's how they play the game. >> jennifer: so when

karl rove said, mr. obama, you're not bill clinton. bill: what did charles think. syndicated column tonight charles krauthammer said there was a clear winner. >> romney won big. he won by two touchdowns. when he steps on the statement gives him stature. when he performs like romney did it changes the mow men tim. bill: krauthammer went on to say one debate won't win the election but it might change the course. martha: vice president joe biden says governor romney did not go far enough in explaining his plans specifically to the american people. >> governor romney laid out a fundamentally different philosophy. he called for a tax plan that would these massive cuts for the wealthy but refused to explain how copay for them without raising tax on middle class families. instead he just denied how big these tax cuts were. martha: the romney campaign said they did lay out specific he will ets how they would pay for those. biden will debate paul ryan in danville, kentucky next thursday. bill: a former new york city mayor republican candidate rudy giuliani said the presiden

. >> karl rove writes in "the wall street journal," alleging mr.ceiver as the president and top advisers are doing is a hard sell. really? i must have watched a different debate and a different campaign. don't believe me. just listen to him, both sides of him. >> there were so many misrepresentations it's going to take me a while. number one, i said that we're going to cut taxes on everyone across the country, including the top 1%. >> i will not reduce the share of high-income individuals. i know you and your running mate keep saying that but it's just not the case. >> tonight, vice president biden needs to push past the spin. paul ryan may not be able to handle it but millions of voters wahi

six but since they're both b l eight we know that mrs bobby moore is a criminal now who gives them these datasets and the answer goes back to karl roveand data trusts the koch brothers in the themis data mining operation and a guy named ken langone who's a one million dollar donor to the romney campaign he's the guy that the first black out list for katherine harris so the saying i was i a corporation of texas it was a corporation called database technologies which operate in texas but they actually are based in florida but but only put together by ken langone of new york who gave the list to katherine harris and said here's your criminals and by the way their own experts then and now are saying we know that these aren't actually felons they could be felons well so could so could karl rove payback that in his case we know he's guilty but this is the gimmick and by the way how many people are innocent on this list of tens of thousands the answers every single one because i went to the attorney general just like you checked with the alien so-called alien list. and there they couldn't find any none zero and i said so because if you foun

karl rove says -- next is a viewer watching us from oklahoma who is a democrat. this is gary. >> thank you. i thought the president held up on mr. romney. mr. romney comes out and tells you he will tax -- not lower taxes on the rich by cutting out deductions. just like the president said, he did not hammer him enough on it. even if you add up all of the deductions and then the defense spending, you are just going further into the hole. >> thank you. that is dave's tweet to us. we also have our facebook page open and our twitter account. you can send us lots of comments and any of these mediums. you can reach us on facebook.com/cspan. this is laurie who is a democrat. >> this is maria. i was calling to say i think romney is running on his ego. what he has been talking about all through this campaign was just taking care of the rich and not try to help the ones down below. there are so many people that need help. when obama bought into office, he already had that debt. it takes time for a person to -- romney should know -- it takes time to settle that big of a debt in more than four years. it will take more for us to get out of t

perhaps the efforts were in vein as conservative king maker, karl rove pointed out alleging that romney is a serial deceiver is a hard sell. mrey came across last week as practical, thoughtful, authentic and a straight shooter. in fact, romney is betting on voters not being outraged by lies. he's making the sure bet that the electorate takes a bit of dishonesty with their election. like sugar with your medicine. that might explain the explosion of fact checking sites. for one, the pulitzer prize win poe lit a fact.com. the truth omter. even truth is on the spectrum. the top of the list of mostly true, half true and mostly false on their meter is a hard-and-fast definition of political truth. a true statement is true if it's accurate and there's nothing significant missing. while i rely on this work, i lament the loss of the shared understanding of knowledge. we need the collective belief that meeting point of communication. language has served that purpose. that shared thread stitching us together. we have agreed that there is a definition to match each word and now you string those words together and how you interpret what i

mr. chairman, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: be sure to join us again at midnight for a special hour of "on the record." karl roveuchanan and our political panel will be right here. we'll see you at midnight. so drink some coffee.

this election cycle, american crossroads, the karl rove group, is up with a new ad that features mr.d. let's take a look. >> in the last few years, america's been knocked down. 23 million people can't find full-time work. and we borrow $4 billion every single day, much of it from china. when someone doesn't get the job done, you've got to hold them accountable. obama's second term would be a re-run of the first and our country couldn't stand that. we need a turnaround fast, and that man is mitt romney. there's not much time left, and the future of our country is at stake. >> mike, i've got to say, they're working clint eastwood hard. they've got that guy doing a lot of ads. >> give him a break. >> seven states, i understand, mike? >> that's right. that's right. and just as "morning joe" viewers were the first to see the president's agenda booklet yesterday, this is the first time that ad has been seen anywhere. and american crossroads said they made it after they realized that despite all the terrible media coverage of clint eastwood's appearance at the republican convention, that in

megyn: karl rove said he pulled the negative advertising in many of these states. now he will be coming out as mruy. >> the anticipation was that pivot point would come where he would try and close on a positive note, on an up note. but with romney moving ahead in the polls he may not have any choice but to intensify the kill romney strategy in the closing weeks of the campaign. megyn: it was effective, the talk about bain capital. but i don't know, who knows, chris, who knows. we'll all know in just a few weeks. chris just talked about the polling. but there is new political callout all because of this move by moderator cnn's candy crowley. >> it took the president 14 days before he called the the act in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> let me call it an act of terror. megyn: one insider says that interjection changed the course of the entire debate from that point forward. at the bottom of the hour doug schoen along with pat caddell to discuss the political implications and why they say we can expect this to be a critical event for the final presidential debate coming this m

mr. legitimate rape is now a legitimate contender. what is going on? >> i think the shock caused republicans to be embarrassed by akin and push him out of the race. coral roveder todd akin and romney said he should get out of the race and akin held his ground. now that the shock dissipated, the desire for the senate to take over, santorum endorsed him and sent him money. you're starting to see people turn around. >> newt gingrich showed up. >> he is backing him. >> lindsey graham. >> uh-huh. >> coburn. sometimes i think the democrats have overplayed their hand with the war on women. i've gotten flak once for saying i didn't agree with a statement that was going to hurt democrats. how can you not think that this man hates women to say something like this? >> i've been following the campaign. his biggest ally right now in trying to get the women's vote is phyllis sclafley who believes women should be in the kitchen barefoot all the time. >> gay hater, as well. >> gay hater birth control hater, equal pay hater. >> most people, unless you were like a news nerd, people under 50 have no idea who that is. someday that will be sarah palin. >> you think? >> yeah, sh

mr. chairman, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: be sure to join us again at midnight for a special hour of "on the record." karl rovenan and our political panel will be right here. we'll see you at midnight. so drink some coffee. right now