russell george does. lets me go back to the doctor's analysis with mr. miller for a moment. mr. er, the outgoing acting irs guy, he denies targeting. and to some degree, russell george has backed him up by saying, there was no proof of political motivation. this is getting heated at this point with the irs guy kind of stonewalling. >> yes, and remember, this is all under oath. they are testifying in front of congress, so anything that's said could subsequently be proven false, they would be subjected to perjury. so, we will have to see how this shakes out. stuart: very interesting, charles. charles: i find miller having gravity for the situation and the hearings and sort of what eric holder displayed earlier in the week. two follow-up questions for levin, the motivation wasn't political, what was the motivation. and the doctor, why was a group singled out. if it wasn't so bad why were you fired? this is a big deal and-- >> we're not going anymore so far. >> and when they claim they don't know where the leaks come from out of the irs, every irs from the top to the lowest agent ail

mr. russell, during the course of your audit, were you allowed access to everyone you were requested to interview? mr. george? >> to my knowledge we were not denied access to anyone. >> did you interview employees in both cincinnati and in d.c.? >> correct. yes we did, sir. >> on page seven of the ig report it states and i quote all of these individuals stated that the criteria were not influenced by any have you had or organization outside the irs. is that correct? >> that is the information we received. correct, sir. >> did you find any evidence of political motivation in the selection of the tax exemption applications? >> we did not, sir. >> mr. miller, during your review of this matter, you indicated when you started it. did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications at issue? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the screen the organizational chart is that possible? from the report? someone going to do that? it's called high level organizational report. >> thank you. mr. miller, in 2010, the inappropriate criteria that s

mr. russell, during the course of your audit, were you allowed access to anyone requested to interview? >> to my knowledge we were not denied access to anyone. interview can employees in cincinnati and both d.c.? >> yes, we did. >> they stated they were not influenced by any individual organization outside the irs. is that correct? >> that the information we received. >> did you find any motivation and the tax-exempt notification? >> we did not. >> during your review of this matter coming you indicated when you had started, did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications of this this year? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the organizational chart, is that possible? is someone going to do that? it is called high-level organizational report. mr. miller, the inappropriate criteria that singled out applications for tax exempt status was developed by what office? >> it would be developed by an office that is actually not on here but is under lois' employees where are those located? >> for the most are located in cinc

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russell george has been the treasury inspector general for tax administration since 2002, and mr. steven miller who escorted the acting commissioner for the irs. thank you both for being with us today. you will each have minutes to presentyour testimony, with your full written test 27 for the record. mr. george, we will begin with you. you're recognized for five minutes. >> chairman camp, ranking member levin, members of the committee thank you very much for the opportunity to discuss our report concerning oversight by the internal revenue service of groups that apply for tax-exempt status. as you are aware the organization that i laid, the treasury inspector general for tax administration, protects the integrity of the federal tax system. our audit was initiated based on concerns expressed by members of congress because of taxpayer allegation that they were subject to unfair treatment by the irs. our report issued earlier this week addresses three allegations. first, the irs targeted specific groups applying for a tax them status. second, that they delayed the processing of these

mr. russell, during the course of your audit, were you allowed access to anyone requested to interview? >> to my knowledge we were not denied access to anyone. employees in cincinnati and both d.c.? >> yes, we did. >> they stated they were not influenced by any individual organization outside the irs. is that correct? >> that the information we received. >> did you find any motivation and the tax-exempt notification? >> we did not. >> during your review of this matter coming you indicated when you had started, did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications of this this year? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the organizational chart, is that possible? is someone going to do that? it is called high-level organizational report. mr. miller, the inappropriate criteria that singled out applications for tax exempt status was developed by what office? >> it would be developed by an office that is actually not on here but is under lois' lerner's jurisdiction. >> where are those employees located? >> for the most are loc

russell george has been the treasury inspector general for tax administration since 2002, and mr. steven miller, who is currently the acting commissioner for the irs. thank you both for being with us today. you will each have five minutes to present your testimony with your full written testimony submitted for the record. mr. george, we'll begin with you. you are recognized for five minutes. >> chairman camp, ranking member levin, members of the committee, thank you very much for the opportunity to discuss our report concerning oversight by the internal revenue service of groups that applied for tax-exempt status. as you are aware the organization that i lead, the treasury inspector general for tax administration, protects the integrity of the federal tax system. our audit was initiated based on concerns expressed by members of the congress because of taxpayer allegations that they were subject to unfair treatment by the irs. our report issued earlier this week addresses three allegations. first, that irs targeted specific groups applying for tax-exempt status. second, that they d

mr. russell, during the course of your audit, were you allowed access to everyone you were requested to interview? >> to my knowledge, we were not denied access of anyone. >> did you interview employees in both cincinnati and in d.c.? >> correct. yes, we did, sir. page 7 of the i.t. report statsz, all of the individuals stated the criteria were not influenced by any individual or organization outside of the irs. is that correct? >> that is the information we received, correct, sir. >> did you find any evidence of political motivation in the selection of the tax exemption applications? >> we did not, sir. >> mr. miller, during your review of this matter, you indicated when you started it, did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications at issue? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the screen the organizational chart, is that possible from the report? someone going to do that? ith called high level organizational report. mr. miller, in 2010, the inappropriate criteria that singled out criteria for tax exempt by name was develo

mr. george russell. you've got these names transposed here a bit, but i gather you are as distinguished as my two colleagues. [background sounds] >> colleagues, i invited mr. george to testify as i have on my own subcommittee and encouraged other subcommittee chairmen so we have the benefit of thanking the igs. they identify management problems, give us a heads up if we're heading to some technology boondoggles which i know we're worried about, and i just think it's a way to be really, a sense of frugality, smart government and perhaps some reforms that we would even come together. having said that, mr. miller, you're the acting commissioner of irs. you have a big job, and we're going to give you a big opportunity to tell us what you need. would you, please, proceed. >> thank you, chairwoman mikulski, ranking member johanns and the members of the subcommittee. i appreciate the opportunity to testify today. before i give more detail on the proposed budget, if i could, let me report on this year's filing s

mr. jay russell. our treasuries treasury for the taxpayers. we have to distinguish tourists and thus mr. george russell and you've got these names and i gather we must distinguish this is both colleagues. [inaudible conversations] >> i invited mr. george to testify as i have on my own subcommittee and encouraged other subcommittee trimmings. and we have a benefit. expensive frugality, with the government, and having said that, you are the acting commissioner and you have a big job and we will have a big opportunity. will you please proceed? >> thank you, chairwoman mikulski. and members of the subcommittee. i appreciate the testimony time today. 94 million refunds for a total of $250 billion. this unfolded despite the difficult challenges presented by substantial tax law changes and were not enacted until jiri second we are going to provide more online self-service option. enforced initiatives include increasing resources and tools available for identity theft and addressing other issues and improving the manner in which we use data. we have a

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mr. russell, during the course of your audit, were you allowed access to everyone that you requested to interviewmy knowledge we were not denied access to anyone. >> did you interview employees in both cincinnati and in d.c.? >> correct, yes, we did, sir. >> on page 7, mr. george of the i.g. report it states and i quote, all of these individuals stated that the criteria were not influenced by any individual organization outside of the irs. is that correct? >> that is the information that we received. correct, sir. >> did you find any evidence of political motivation in the selection of the tax exemption applications? >> we did not, sir. >> mr. miller, during your review of this matter, you indicated when you started it, did you find any evidence of political motivation on the part of employees involved in processing the applications at issue? >> we did not, sir. >> if we could put on the screen the organizational chart. is that possible, from the report? someone going to do that? it is called high-level organizational report. mr. miller, in 2010, the inappropriate criteria that singled out applic

mr. russell george is the treasury inspector general for tax it ministration. mr. douglas shulman is a former commissioner of the irs. ms. lois lerner is the director of exempt organizations at the internal revenue service. wollen is it that the secretary of the department of treasury as i previously noted. pursuant to the rules of the committee, all witnesses will be sworn. would you please rise, raise your right hand to take the oath? responsible responsible responsible >> do you solemnly swear the testimony you will give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? let the record indicate all witnesses answered in the affirmative. for all the witnesses, your entire opening statements will be placed in the record. we understand sometimes you're obligated to stay with your opening statement. if so, keep it within five minutes. if you'd like to use the time to either add to or to summarize, that could be very helpful for the members. mr. george, you're up first. welcome. >> thank you, mr. chairman. chairman issa, ranking member cummings and members

mr. hyde. i used to work for r russell simmons, i wanted to do r & b, i bridged the culture with new jack swing when you started off the group, you had hits yourself, three big hits. what made you leave being an artist --. >> what made me leave i was a manager as well as being an artist, l.l. cool j., when he got out there, he had screaming girl fans like new edition, i was already singing about rolexs and bentleys, if i have to break it down and sing about boom boxes it's time to me to step to the back and put the young guys forward. >> by 1986 you started uptown. >> heavy d and the boys. ♪ >> how did you have the eye for targeting acts that weren't circulating at the time? >> it was timing and hip hop was becoming mainstream, i wanted to put it with r&b. my artist that fit my soul. >> another piece you added to the equation was love. >> 100%. i grew up on motown, marvin gaye, diana ross, i always had love in the back of my mine, i grew up with love, with heavy d, the concept with him was let's take the eye off his weight and put your eye more on his style and his heart, and his swag. so when

mr. shulman. >> brown: even j. russell george-- the treasury inspector general who reported on the i.r.s.geting-- came in for criticism. chairman issa argued george should have alerted congress of his findings sooner. george defended himself, saying he was following established procedures. >> to ensure fairness and to ensure that we are completely accurate with the information that we relay to congress, we will not report information until the i.r.s. has had an opportunity to take a look at it to ensure that we're not misstating the facts. >> mr. george, that is not the statute. that is not the statute. this committee last august made it very clear that the statute as written does not give you the ability, or any i.g., to use us as a whipping boy when you want to, and in fact keep us in the dark until an investigation is completed. >> brown: the committee also heard from deputy treasury secretary neal wolin. he said what happened at the i.r.s. was inexcusable, but no one at treasury was involved. today's hearing came to an end after six hours, but there's is no end in sight to the three c

mr. george russell. so you have these names that transpose here but i gather your distinguished as my two colleagues. >> our colleague invited mr. george to testify and interest of the subcommittee chairman we have the benefit of thinking on ag to it they identify management problems and gave a heads up in the boondoggles which i know that we are worried about and it is a way of a sense of frugality and to come together i say that mr. miller your the acting commissioner, you have a big job and we are going to give a big opportunity to tell you would you please proceed. >> thank you, chairwoman ranking member and the members of the subcommittee. i appreciate the opportunity to testify today. before i give more detail on the proposed budget if i could let me report on this year's filing season. i'm happy to report that the filing season ran in various movement. through april 20 of the irs received 140 million individual returns, issued 94 refunds for the total of $450 billion. this unfolded despite the diff

mr. george. >> my first conversation on this with russell george was march 15, 2013 after i became treasury secretary. >> are you aware last friday he testified that he briefed you? >> testified that he briefed me in march of 2013. >> he says the talk about may and june of 2012, "i alerted commissioner douglas shulman on may 30 and subsequently alerted the general counsel join forces and subsequently alerted the deputy secretary neal wolin about this matter. and then upon the assumption and into the position i mentioned it to secretary lew." >> that was march 2013. i was confirmed on february 27. it is important to note that the fact the ongoing audit was not a secret. it was publicly posted on the inspector general's website. >> it was the subject of numerous newspaper articles. >> there was just the fact of the audit being undertaken. >> there was specific information that even democratic legislators have leaned on the administration to conduct investigations. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the chair recognizes the gentlemen from new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to finish off

mr. sharpton shouting in all caps. >> what'd you say, russell?leave it there. we don't want to get into anymore trouble here. dana milbank, al franken, amy holmes, we'll get you back here at some point in the very near future. thanks for your time on a sunday afternoon. thanks to the bain trust and a big thanks to you as well. that's going to do it for me on this rainy sunday afternoon. we appreciate you spending at least a portion of it with us. don't forget to tune in tomorrow. up next, it's the brand-new ed show with ed schultz. he's standing by, he's rearing to go. don't go anywhere. he's right after the break. with the spark cash card from capital one... boris earns unlimited rewards for his small business. can i get the smith contract, please? thank you. that's three new paper shredders. [ boris ] put 'em on my spark card. [ garth ] boris' small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase every day. great businesses deserve unlimited rewards. read back the chicken's testimony, please. "buk, buk, bukka!" [ male announcer ] get the spark bu

mr. george. >> my first conversation on this with russell george was march 15, 2013 after i became treasury secretary are you aware last friday he testified that he briefed you? >> testified that he briefed in march of 2013. me.riefed >> he says tyler did -- the talk about may and june of 2012, "i alerted commissioner douglas shulman on may 30 and subsequently alerted the general counsel join forces and subsequently alerted the deputy secretary neal wolin about this matter. and then upon the assumption and into the position i mentioned it to secretary lew." >> that was march 2013. i was confirmed on february 27. it is important to note that the fact the ongoing audit was not a secret. it was publicly posted on the inspector general's website. >> it was the subject of numerous newspaper articles. >> there was just the fact of the audit being undertaken. >> there was specific information that even democratic legislators have leaned on the administration to conduct investigations. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the chair recognizes the gentlemen from new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i wa

mr. chairman. >> are there to welcome our panel of witnesses. first, j. russell george, tax administration for united states treasury. second, mr. steven miller of revenue surplus here in washington d.c. and third, former commissioner of the irs, the honorable doug shulman. thank you for comment. as i could a while since i very human, please. raise your right hand, please. do you spread the testimony you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you god? thank you. you may be seated. as with our regular process will conclude you are prepared statements the record and ask each of you to summarize them in about five minutes. we'll start with you, mr. george and after that the committee will have a lot of questions. >> thank you, chairman of baucus, ranking member hatch by members of the committee for the opportunity to discuss a report with the internal revenue service chairman of groups applied for tax-exempt status. our audit was initiated based on concerns expressed a certain groups objected to fair treatment by the irs. the

russell george. most of the questions accused miller of lying to congress. >> why did you mislead congress and the american people on this? >> mr. chairman, i did not mislead congress or the american people. i answered the questions as they were asked. >> you didn't mention targeting based on ideology. you didn't mention targeting based on words like tea party or patriots or 9/12. you knew that but you didn't mention this to the committee. did you not think that was a very incomplete answer? >> i answered truthfully. i never said i didn't do anything wrong. what i said is contained in the questions. i resigned because as the acting commissioner, what happens in the irs, whether i was personally involved or not, stops at my desk. i also will tell you. >> let me ask you -- i'm going to mr. george because my time -- you're not going to cooperate with me, mr. miller, and you've been uncooperative during this hearing. >> why did you say you have notes if you don't think you had notes? >> sir, please. please. >> do you have notes or don't you have notes? >> i don't know. >> you should be outraged. but you're not. the american people

russell or her husband. >> it's hard for most investigators to believe that she should be living in a premises where bombs are being put together, where mr. there is explosive residue and for her to know nothing about it i believe a strong feeling have to be some level of involvement on her part. >> though tamerlan body released thursday there is no plan for burial after one funeral home refused to handle it the director of the worcester massachusetts funeral home says tamerlan's mother wants the her son's body back but no request has been made. >> no efforts of any send remains to russia. >> no one from the state of massachusetts the governor. >> not that we are aware of. >> john kerry will use the trip to moscow to focus on the investigation and better intelligence sharing with the russian security services in the future it was the russians who provided initial tip about tamerlan in march of 2011, bret. >> bret: thank you. >> you are welcome. >> bret: conservatives another shot at immigration reform this time hitting it right where it hurts in your wallet. chief national correspondent jim angle runs the numbers for us tonight. new repo

russell george. most of the questions accused miller of lying to congress. >> why did you mislead congress and the american people on this? >> mrd congress or the american people. i answered the questions as they were asked. >> you didn't mention targeting based on ideology. you didn't mention targeting based on words like tea party or patriots or 9/12. you knew that but you didn't mention this to the committee. did you not think that was a very incomplete answer? >> i answered truthfully. i never said i didn't do anything wrong. what i said is contained in the

mr. george. >> my first conversation on this with russell george was march 15, 2013 after i became treasury secretaryare you aware last friday testified that he briefed you? >> testified that he briefed in march of 2013. -- briefed me. >> he says tyler did -- the talk about may and june of 2012, douglased commissioner shulman on may 30 and subsequently alerted the general counsel join forces and subsequently alerted the deputy secretary neal wolin about this matter. and then upon the assumption and into the position i mentioned it to secretary lew." >> that was march 2013. i was confirmed on february 27. it is important to note that the fact the ongoing audit was not a secret. it was publicly posted on the inspector general's website. >> it was the subject of numerous newspaper articles. >> there was just the fact of the audit being undertaken. >> there was specific information that even democratic legislators have leaned on the administration to conduct investigations. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the chair recognizes the gentlemen from new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to fi

russell george said pretty much the same thing. irs inspector general, he investigated the accusations and his report came out this week. mr.g on. >> would you say the irs used inappropriate criteria for identifying these organizations? is that legal? >> it's -- is it legal? it is -- >> i'm trying to get a sense of what inappropriate criteria -- >> it is not illegal, sir. it was unusual. >> and you enumerate them, inappropriate criteria were developed and stayed in place for a total of more than 18 months. is that illegal? >> it is not illegal. but it was inappropriate. >> i understand that. i'm trying to get a sense of -- >> if i may, it is contrary to treasury regulations and other policies then in place by the department. >> understand. the substantial delays, is that illegal or inappropriate? >> it is inappropriate. >> and then the third, the unnecessary information, illegal or inappropriate? >> inappropriate. >> house republicans aren't necessarily buying all of this. they say they're going to continue to investigate this. the justice department also investigating this. candy crowley, chief political correspondent, joi

mr. shuman led the irs from 2008-two thousand 12. he testified in a sent finance hearing. treasury inspector general j. russell george. this panel is two hours and 15 minutes. >> come to order. before we began, i am confident i can speak for every member to thoughts and prayers to the people of oklahoma. we'll stand with courageous town obamare and the people of as they come together to face this tragedy. -- people of oklahoma as they come together to face this tragedy. we are all together. we all shared their grief. adlai stevenson once said, i am "oted amount "-- quoting now it depends for its success and liability of the good judgment of so many of us." these words are etched in granite at the irs headquarters just outside of washington dc. a speed to the need of government at all levels -- they speak to the need of government at all levels. that confidence was broken recently by the news that the irs targeting conservative groups seeking tax exempt status. in doing so, the irs abandoned good judgment and lost the public's trust. the american people have every right to be outraged. targeting groups based on their p