mr. salvini: it is not easy. italy is a big country. we have important challenges. but i was tired of being in the opposition. max: and the opposition, the answers to conduct problems are often easier. salvini has survived the first 100 days in power unscathed, but soon he will have to show if he can actually govern. brent: from the stage to the big table, i'm joined by a fellow of the oxford university center for international studies. good to have you on the show. when we look at the far right party, when we look at matteo salvini, they can be proud of the fact that they doubled their approval ratings in 100 days in office. how have they done that? >> they went from 17 to 34%. impressive, absolutely. they did that by focusing on managing perceptions rather than dealing with reality. there are two keywords, fear and identity. fear -- they developed a whole discourse that focuses on security, on crime. that is fascinating, given the fact that mr. salvini is in charge of the interior ministry, and the ministry released data last month showing that all types of crimes

author chair a nationalist and there they feel that they have a lot going for them and mr robin mr salvinithey have nonvolatile to form form an anti european pro nationalists pro author of terror and alliance so it's not necessarily its new division but it's not let redefine the e.u. and break it up i mean where do you see this going it will mess with the you will make policy mean policy making in the us getting more complicated by the days saw it will turn the u. parliament depending on the outcome of the elections into a very big acrimonious mess and they will you know they will like that they will relish these these right wing forces because they wanted only one example to fail the. please go ahead go and they will go against it on the. peace. yes i was saying can i did you one example so as i have worked in the parliament for a number of politicians from germany and the u.k. and france. you can see that the fire in the current mandate has been very destructive in its attempt to derail the just nation so for example helping out syrian refugee children in turkey by giving them funds to h

i don't know which are the proposals for mr salvini. in essence, i suppose it gets down to this. there will be no cherry picking, theresa may says we want parts of the single market, we want free trade in goods, but we will not accept the free movement of people. are you prepared to do a deal on that? no. clearly no. i don't think any country in europe can accept to split the freedoms, the fourfreedome, which bases the european unions. these freedoms, i take this because i like it, this one i don't like it, i don't take it. no, it will not be like this. what are you sacred of? why are you so worried that giving britain a bespoke deal, if i can put it that way, be so detrimental, so damaging to the eu? it is a matter of political project. the eu is not the supermarket, you know? it is a matter of political project. the eu is not the supermarket, you know? but is the eu so fragile, so weak, that if britain gets a bespoke deal, it could lead to the collapse of the entire union? i don't think so. no. what is the problem? britain is a powerful, powerful neighbour, the most important t

mr salvini said the number of boats arriving to italy needs to go down.eached the italian coast over the past few years, creating a huge economic, social and legal problems. half of the citizens who are arrested or reported to police every day in italy are immigrants. so for security reasons and social order order, we need to reduce these arrivals. last year, 100,000 arrived. this year we had 20,000 arrivals, so i wanted to hold those who live the countries, and this is a limited number. for all the others, the doors are shut. but you are breaking the rules that were agreed by the italian government, with all the other member states of the european union, to run what is called operation sofia, and to have these migrant ships landed the nearest port, which happens to be italy. and you are now refusing to accept your responsibilities to take these people. translation: no, with sofia now in operation, that you mention, 115,000 immigrants were rescued at sea, and 40,000 arrived. we wa nt rescued at sea, and 40,000 arrived. we want to change these rules. we ar

if one takes one example, italy, you just mentioned the fashions and mr salvini.other day in hardtalk me his abandoned many of his more radical positions, particularly on leaving the eurozone. well, he hasn't. he has strategically placed this on the backburner for a year. and we can discuss this next year. but what he has primarily done is that he has used the same storyline from the 19305 used the same storyline from the 1930s of promising the average italian, whose income has been falling for a0 years, to restore his pride back by justifies falling for a0 years, to restore his pride back byjustifies just opposing him against the migrant, even the italian roma. it isn't exactly the same as the 1930s. even the italian roma. it isn't exactly the same as the 19305.” didn't exactly the same as the 1930s.” didn't say it is exactly the same. i said a post—modern version of it. painfully history does not repeat itself exactly. you need in the sense to set this idea up to make the case for your own radical leftist progressive politics. i put it to you that there is a fun

you happy with the way migrants were kept for days on a boat in august as the interior minister mr salvinirefused to let the. heard that the terrible consequence of the fact that the use nots not want to solve the problem for all many years the different governments asked for a joint solution to reform the system there is not one advisor his decision to keep certain members of your party were very upset by this deal the sporty said the decision not to allow the rescue ship to disembark is not shared by me it cannot belong to my any of us we express concerns and we say this is not the solution but i can also understand that that has remained to blame by the or it may i answer that i cannot some the standard after many years of silence silence by our power barnett's of the property by mr mccraw on that is blaming on us but at the same time to meet her eyes the border with italy invented media militarize of the west board of italy and is trying to also massive reports from the human rights ngo about violation by the french authorities in the french police about the rights of the migrants well

illusions because the far right or the or author of terra national and starting with mr oregon mr salvini the people we've heard about just now they have no interest whatsoever to solve the issue of migration the issue of migration for them is an important rallying cry to fuel their author a tarion nationalist revolution or counter revolution that they're staging in europe against the values of nine hundred sixty eight meaning a more open diverse europe and a values of nine hundred eighty nine an author a terran revolved against liberal democracy which became the currency for the continent told him that let me jump in if i may and when she probably the counter-argument that they would make is that since the european union can't come up with any sort of common policy to deal with this issue why should countries on the proof free shoulder the burden alone so to speak the that the narrative from italy exactly that was a lot. yes in the complaints about the from italy for that have been well founded we left them alone there was a lot of hypocrisy on the part of germany leaving italy to deal w

illusions because the far right or the or author of terra national and starting with mr oregon mr salvini the people we've heard about just now they have no interest whatsoever to solve the issue of migration the issue of migration for them is an important rallying cry to fuel their author it terry a nationalist revolution or counter revolution that they're staging in europe against the values of nine hundred sixty eight meaning a more open diverse europe and the values of nine hundred eighty nine an author a terrine revolved against liberal democracy which became the currency for the continent told them that let me jump in if i may and when she probably the counter-argument that they would make is that since the european union can't come up with any sort of common policy to deal with this issue why should countries on the proof free shoulder the burden alone so to speak be that the narrative for mentally exactly that was a lot. yes in the complaints about the from italy for that have been well founded so we left them alone there was a lot of hypocrisy on the part of germany leaving italy

illusions because the far right or the or author of terra national and starting with mr oregon mr salvini the people we've heard about just now they have no interest whatsoever to solve the issue of migration the issue of migration for them is an important rallying cry to fuel their author a tarion nationalist revolution or counter revolution that they're staging in europe against the values of nine hundred sixty eight meaning a more open diverse europe and a values of nine hundred eighty nine an author a terran revolved against liberal democracy which became the currency for the continent told him that let me jump in if i may and when she probably the counter-argument that they would make is that since the european union can't come up with any sort of common policy to deal with this issue why should countries on the proof free shoulder the burden alone so to speak be that the narrative for mentally exactly that was a lot. yes in the complaints about the from italy for that have been well founded we left them alone there was a lot of hypocrisy on the part of germany leaving italy to deal

mr. salvini that's where we ended up this morning. in terms of what the european reaction will be from this, we hear from the commissioner for european economic and financial affairs, he's seemingly going to wait to see the details in the budget people i've been speaking to this morning, including some political economist s saying the will wait. listen to what was said last night on facebook. >> look, i'm not worried about the market reaction, we have plans to invest so much money that the economy will grow we have kept the budget deficit below 3%, so we've been credible we will make investments, we will keep our election promises. for the first time italy has a government keeps his promises. >> what mr. dimaio said as well last night is that he expects 10 billion euros to be set aside to pay for the universeal basic income, something that is important for the five-star balcony. last night he was waving joyfully as people were standing here waving flags back to him. there are issues that have struggled under austerity issues since the

well mr salvini has given an interview to stephen sackur for the bbc‘s hardtalk programmes.. translation: several hundred thousand migrants reach the italian coast over the past few years, creating a huge economic, social, and legal problems. half of the citizens who are arrested or reported to police every day and italy are migrants. so for security reasons and social order, we need to reduce these arrivals. last year, 100,000 reach italy. this year, we had 20,000 arrivals. so i wanted to lead the country because their work, and this is a limited number. for all the others, the doors are shut. and you are breaking the rules that were agreed by the italian government, with all of the other men know that member states of the european union to run what is called "operation sofia" and to have these microchips land in the nearest port, which happens to be italy. and then you are now refusing to accept your responsibilities to take these people? translation: no. with the operation as you mentioned, 16,000 immigrants who are arrested and 40,000 arrived in italy. we want to change

mr salvini, back at the election, was around 16, 18%? now he's about 32.isruptor countries aligning with the likes of poland and hungary? well, not necessarily. i think the government of italy will respect european rules. that said, frankly speaking, it is not possible that italy remains silent, over the efforts of a number of states to deny the necessary support to italy, that is ready to host a large number of people, but not alone. this is the key point. mr macron has talked of an awakening of nationalist and extremes in europe, do you agree with that analysis? er, well, president macron was denying solidarity to italy in a difficult moment in the recent past. i think he's right, but if he wants to create more european feeling of cooperation, that he himself, the first bloke, this kind of solidarity, frankly speaking, i think is necessary that the head of state and government, once they decide in brussels that we have to share the burden, they keep their promise. which is not the case so far. i must ask you before you go, you are well versed in how the

mr. salvini dimaio?ut the figure and the deficit target, it is what content it will take? francine: adam, what does this mean for europe? i do not know if this is an impact on italian-spanish yields spreads. adam: it is a factor at the margin for the euro, the political risk premium is tight and the bias would be for to widen further and that leaves the euro-dollar lower. reinforcedt theme is as we see scope for political risk to widen. what is the biggest risk to italy right now? the bigger risk is you see ongoing tension between the e.u. and europe. -- ifdget issue it self the budget issue is not resolved but that the issue rumbles on and that these tensions continue to pressure spreads. francine: adam, when leaders say the well-being of italian is there ame first, danger that they do want to take italy out of the euro? adam: i think that is far down the agenda. it is a concern the markets will have. you do not need to be worried italytaly or the risk of leaving the euro about politics as the budget de

mrs alving is not being photographed with tony blair you when you went to the un an internationalist should look at it it went to carol salvini he said to kidal we want to cooperate and then he said we support the prime minister's but we have to discuss we all the components and i meant i meant him at tony blair you know it really really bad if any intervention is tony blair it was the line of the promoter of the war in iraq frank girl stop you there more from at least for the foreign minister after the break plus music from you too. go on i'm doing investigator raise i'm a de facto declaring war in a country which the american federation of scientists says has foreign oil off hours and strategically operational nuclear warheads. two of going on the ground. prosecution only. just fine. do i mean. business models used by american corporations. to maintain an investigative documentary. ghost war. you know world big partisan law and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each o

salvini here on bbc news at these times on wednesday. events have begun in ghana to honour the the former secretary general of the united nations kofi annan who died last month. mrheir respects. world leaders, past and present, and royalty too, are expected to attend his state burial on thursday. the bbc‘s thomas naadi reports. filing past the body of the former un secretary—general, kofi annan, they have come from the length and breadth of the country to catch a glimpse of the great man, and honour him one last time. most of the people paying their last respects today may not have had the opportunity of meeting the former un secretary—general but it's when he promoted peace across the world, has influenced and inspired some of them. the public was hoping to seek kofi annan but the family decided that the coffin would remain closed. for the people of this country, it is time to reflect on the great works of the former un chief. kofi anand means a lot to both the younger and older generation here. i'd never seen him before. i expected as we were graduating from the university of ghana, as the former chancellor, we would see him now but unfortunately, he left and

mr caster that you disagree on the fundamentally the biggest issue facing europe at the moon which is the migrant issue you disagree fundamentally with your coalition partners and that. is the salvini wants the open route the leader of he wants the open route no migrants and you want to settle this with europe so there is a big gulf between your two parties on this this is gulf now because the action of the government in the last european summit in all the discussion of the of the council was always to find and to implement what is our position to it that means a mandatory preventive redistribution are among the different countries and we have asked that with a united position on the. you know the different form maybe are not so much informed about that but this is the reality of the fact then and let's say i recognize that matter salvini sometimes is expressing very tough and strong the coloration by the is doing is saying that we are full of in self the action of the government sensibly different and we always ask through the mouth of the only person that is really in charge of this that means the prime minister to implement a disposition a common approach from all the you to ref

salvini may break his parliamentary group and form a center-right government, so it's not a credible threat. it's making a point. >> who is the point for? five-star voters is it for mra for lawmakers? who is he making that point to >> a bit of everyone including himself. he needs to reinforce his position in the party. he hada good showing of salvin the last few monthshow much popularity he has gained so he needs to talk tough and show that he's still on the short list part of it. >> on that topic specifically and talking about salvini's surging popularity, they're ahead of five-star, which is a big jump from where they were polling going into the elections. do you think at some point next year he may look to capitalize on that and call for another election and dismantle this coalition? >> yes, that's the clear risk. for this year we are kind of safe mattarella will never dissolve parliament during budget season. we go effectively until december, we escape with this coalition. come january anything can happen if salvini wants to capitalize on popularity, he might pull the plug with this government, go to elections in march, then go to the european elections with the