mr. sanders. but, no, the amount paid and the advice there was on resting on advice from outside counsel with respect to the amount that we would be expected to pay in damages plus expenses and litigation costs. >> did you question why such high payments were made to mr. taylor and to mr. clifford? it's suggested to be 700,000 pounds and a million respectively, for invasions of privacy, when the record amount of privacy damages awarded pie a court remains 60,000 pounds ironically against the "news of the world. ". >> mr. sanders, i did question the amount but not in relation to the 60,000. as you recall, and i'm sure you do, the chronology here, the settlement made against 700,000 pounds was after the authorization of the settlement after the advice that we sought from senior distinguished outside counsel with respect to the quantum of damages that could be expected to pay, which in damages terms was quarter of a million pounds plus expenses and litigation costs was expected to be between 500,000

mr. sanders, but no.id and the advice there was on resting on advice from outside counsel with respect to the amount that we would be expected to pay in damages plus expenses in litigation costs. >> did you question why such high payments were made to mr. taylor and to mr. clifford? it suggested to be 700,000 pounds and a million respectively for invasions of privacy when the record amount of privacy damages awarded by a court remains 60,000 pounds ironically against "the news of the world"? >> mr. sanders, i did question the amount made, but not in relation to the 60,000. if you recall, and i'm sure you do, the chronology here. the settlement made with respect to the 60,000 pounds against "the news of the world" which i believe was the moseley case was after the authorization of the settlement and after the advice we sought from senior distinguished outside counsel with respect to the quantum of damages we could be expected to pay which in damage materials was quarter of million pounds plus expenses and

mr. sanders, and, respectfully, mr. chairman, the key facts, key evidence that came to light at the end of 2010, as the lengthy due process of the civil litigations involving these matters, took their course, it was those -- that process that unearthed the key evidence there. and, it was really only after that, even, that the police, that any... they said we should restart the information and, as soon as we had the information the end of 2010, which indicated there was a wider involvement, we acted on it immediately. >> tom crone said he did not know why he left news group newspapers. can you clarify why he was asked to leave after 26 years of service? >> well, last week the news of the world... two weeks ago, the news of the world published that paper, mr. crone was involved with the news of the world matters over the years, but the company believed and, the management of the company believed that it was time to part ways and i was not involved in those direct conversations and i cannot comment on the nature or content

mr. sanders, do you have a question respectfully? i don't know what you'd like me to say. >> i'm asking whether you are aware. >> i'm not aware of that particular phrase. >> reporter: it was now the time for rebekah brooks. >> we have paid police in the time for past. i have never knowingly sanctioned a payment to a police officer. i was referring to -- if you saw at the time of the home affairs select committee recently that you had various crime editors from fleet street discussing that in the past payments have been made to police officers. i was referring to that wide held belief, not widespread practice. in fact, in my experience in dealing with police, the information they comes to newspapers comes free of charge. >> reporter: the scandal has come at an incredible cost to news international. a year ago the name murdoch put fear into the hearts of many british politicians. today it was clear the politicians had no fear. dan rivers, cnn, westminster. >>> there was no question about how investors felt about the hearing. news corp

mr. sanders, do you have a question? respectfully, i don't know what you'd like me to say. >> my question is are you aware -- >> i'm not aware of that particular phrase. >> now are you aware of the term because i've explained it to you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> we were not ever guilty of that. >> it got more interesting. at one point, the hearings turned chaotic as a man attacked rupert murdoch with a plateful of shaving cream. >> oh, oh! >> i want you to take a look at this again. you can see on the far left of your screen someone breaking out of the seats and heading straight for rupert murdoch. the first to act? his wife. who comes out swinging. you see her to the left of your screen there his son, james and a police officer seem frozen in action. murdoch may not have the reflections he once did, but he was still able to dodge some verbal attacks today. we'll go indepth on the murdoch hacking scandal tonight. first, here are other aspects of the story we're drilling down on tonight. the fall of scotland yard? brita

mr. sanders, do you have a question? respectfully, i don't know what you'd like me to say. i'm not aware of that particular phrase. >> but now, you are familiar with the term because i've explained it to you. >> i've heard the phrase before and we were not ever guilty of that. >> brown: the elder murdoch also took on the question of whether the families of 9/11 victims were subject to phone hacking in the u.s. >> we have seen no evidence of that at all. as far as we know, the fbi haven't, either. if they do, we will treat it exactly the same way as we treat it here. i cannot believe it happened from anyone in america. >> brown: m.p.s focused, as well, on the growing political dimensions of the scandal, and the murdochs' ties to political power, especially prime minister david cameron. >> why did you enter the back door at number ten when you visited the prime minister following the last general election? >> because i was asked to. >> you were asked to go in the back door of number ten? >> yes. >> why would that be? >> to avoid photographers in the front, i imagine. i don't

mr. sanders question, which was to be precise about the chronology here. mr. davies, i'd like to answer this question, but my understanding is the 60,000 settlements in the judgments which was after it is an important chronology and that the courts and have set a differing standard here. and what we knew at the time was that i had distinguished counsel that if this case is litigated and if we were to lose the case, the company were to lose the case, what damages would we expect to pay? and the company received an answer that was substantial. >> at 60,000 to 600. >> it is important to be clear today. i apologize. it's important to declare the 600,000 or 700,000 included damages, legal fees and an estimation of what it would've cost otherwise if the negotiation understands that. >> respectfully, is important because i agree there are big numbers. >> on the payments he made to your staff -- >> about the trial of glenn cordoning. clive goodman was pleading guilty. did news international pay his legal fees for his trial? >> i do want to be clear about the chronolog

mr. sanders, do you have a question? i don't know what you'd like me to say. >> were you aware -- >> i'm not aware of that. i'm not aware of that particular phrase. >> now you are familiar because i've explained it to you. >> thank you. >> we were not ever guilty of that. >> thank you. >> we have been very clear that serious allegations of wrongdoing have been leveled about "the news of the world," and we believed that "the news of the world," the actions of some reporters and people some years ago have fundamentally tarnished the trust "the news of the world" had with its readers and this is a matter of huge and sincere regret, mine, my father's, and the company's. >> let's go straight to london for more. richard, i know you watched the murdochs on the hot seat just like i did, so many of our viewers did through the day here. rupert murdoch and his son said several times, in fact the lead line to this opening statement which mr. murdoch actually read to the end, talking about regrets, they're sorry, that they knew nothi

mr. sanders: madam president. the presiding officer: the senator from vermont. mr. sanders: madam president, i ask unanimous consent the alternating blocks continue until 9:00 p.m. in the following manner -- majority controlling the time until 8:20 p.m., republicans controlling the next 30 minutes, and the majority controlling the remaining time. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. sanders: thank you, madam president. madam president, the tea party members in the house have achieved, achieved a remarkable feat. as "the new york times" put today, and i quote -- "the scope of their victory in reshaping the debt ceiling bill to reflect the fiscal hawkishness of the most conservative house members cannot be overstated." end quote. in other words, despite democratic control over the white house, despite democratic control over the senate, despite overwhelming opposition from the american people, a small minority of the members of the republican-controlled house have successfully pushed an extreme right-wing agenda onto the american political landscape. this righ

mr. sanders question, which was to be precise about the chronology here. mr. davies, i'd like to answer this question, but my understanding is the 60,000 settlements in the judgments which was after it is an important chronology and that the courts and have set a differing standard here. and what we knew at the time was that i had distinguished counsel that if this case is litigated and if we were to lose the case, the company were to lose the case, what damages would we expect to pay? and the company received an answer that was substantial. >> at 60,000 to 600. >> it is important to be clear today. i apologize. it's important to declare the 600,000 or 700,000 included damages, legal fees and an estimation of what it would've cost otherwise if the negotiation understands that. >> respectfully, is important because i agree there are big numbers. >> on the payments he made to your staff -- >> about the trial of glenn cordoning. clive goodman was pleading guilty. did news international pay his legal fees for his trial? >> i do want to be clear about the chronolog

mr. sanders? >> good morning, everybody. >> good morning. >> my name is sanders, my number is do-9582.'ve been doing time since the early '80s. every morning you wake up, get up at 5:30, you go eat chow, you go to your job assignment, whatever. it's no fun. you know what i mean? >> how many people in here have family in prison? >> yeah, family or friends. >> i have. >> how many have brothers and sisters and family and cousins that say it's cool up in there? oh, they say it's cool up in there, huh? come join us. i feel sorry for you if you do join them. >> right now, you're in junior high, you have so many doors open for you right now. but you can voluntarily give up your freedom. some of you, at the age of 14, can end up in prison already. so that's what we're here to talk about, the program, this is what we do. we bring the prison to you guys. we don't want to see you in prison. we would rather see you out here. sanders is here to enlighten you, let you know about the choices. don't make these certain choices that he made. >> my dad has been in and out of prison since i was, like, bor

mr. sanders though, you i'm sure would agree that we need an agreement before the deadline, and if you look had a figure just now falling for the third consecutive day, it's now down to 174 on the dow, 24 points on standard & poor's 500 and the nasdaq down 71 points. >> of course we need -- of course we need to reach a conclusion. of course we have got to do everything we can to prevent a default which would be disastrous for this country. >> does that not mean, sir, that notwithstanding your own desire to assist the middle class, to tax those who earn more, we need to reach an agreement and at the &háhp &hc% seem to be viable. there doesn't seem to be a compromise available. >> well, you know, you asked a minute ago about president obama, and i think the issue here is where people are disappointed is he has not been as strong for many, many months in bringing the american people together in the ways they believe. they believe there must be shared sacrifice. we have got to put right wing republicans on the defensive and not continuing to concede, concede, concede so that today, right now, w

mr. adrian sanders. >> there's a real issue of delay of inquiry for the public have little confidence in the metropolitan police where investigations concerning news international are concerned. can i rend him of the question i asked on the it stands today, it is one of the largest police investigations going on anywhere in our country. >> teresa pier. >> thank you, mr. speaker. anybody else -- victims of knife crime have increased. on the streets of london we have children traveling knives and other children afraid of their journey to and from school. last friday, a 16 constituent of mine was stabbed to death. two children have been arrested in connection with this. what will the prime minister do to ensure that the mayorf london gets a grip on this problem that was bot one of the mayor and one of the prime minister's election promises? >> well, the case she raises is an absolutely tragic one and there are too many victims of knife crime particularly amongst young people in our cities particularly in london. what we are doing is creating a new offense with a mandatory prison sentence to

mr. sanders, do you have a question?t you'd like moo tow say. >> i'm asking whether you were aware. >> i am not aware of that particular phrase. >> he is talking about willful blindness in the enron scandal. that led to these regulations that said in america a ceo, there are some things you should know, you're responsible for it if it happens. you can't say i didn't know because of somebody else. it doesn't really apply in the parliamentary testimony but that is what that member of parliament was talking about. >> also interesting because david cameron talked about promising very vigorous changes in media regulation in the uk in the wake of this so we will see what happens there. in the meantime, rebeck ka brooks also appeared before british lawmakers yesterday. she resigned earlier this month. she was arrested over the weekend but not charged. brooks denies responsibility for the aled hacking at the newspaper that she once ran. she insisted that she was shocked and disgusted when she heard reports about the murdered sch

mr. sanders, just to be precise about the chronology. mr. davis, and would like to answer this question. my understanding is that the 60,000 settlement or judgment in the moseley case, which was after the advice given around the gordon taylor settlement, is an importer chronology. courts and judges have set a different standard here. what we knew, and what i knew at the time, is that we had a senior distinguished outside counsel the we have gone to to say, if this case were litigated and we were to lose the case, what sort of damages could we expect to pay? the company received an answer that was substantial. >> it the example was at 250,000 in the settled for 600,000? >> the 600,000 concluded it damages, legal fees, and an estimation of what it would have cost otherwise. it was damages plus costs that brings you to that number. with respect, it is important to be clear about that because they are big numbers. >> i want to concentrate on payments made to your staff. go back to the trial of clive goodman. he was pleading guilty to a criminal

mr. adrian sanders. >> there's a real issue of delay of inquiry for the public have little confidence in the metropolitan police where investigations concerning news international are concerned. can i remind him of the question i asked on the 27th of april. will he have a full judicial inquiry that looks particularly at the link between news international and the metropolitan police? >> clearly, this is a very important issue and my right honorable friend the home secretary has discussed it with the commissioner this morning. and they want to continue with the investigation that is underway but let me try and reassure the house and the honorable gentleman about this point because i think even before you get to the point about independent and public inquiries, what the public need to know is that the police are going to go about their job properly in terms of their investigation and so they do need to know this is an investigation completely separate from the previous investigation and as it stands today, it is one of the largest police investigations going on anywhere in our country. >>

mr. sanders: mr. president, i ask that the quorum call be vitiated. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. sanders: mr. president, let us be very clear that in terms of the deficit-reduction package that is being debated, we are talking about an issue of huge consequence not only for people today but for our kids and our grandchildren. this is likely from a domestic perspective "the" most important issue that any member of the senate or the house will ever vote on in his or her political career. this is a huge deal which in many ways will shape the future of america. now, i know the media refers to the discussion as whether or not we're going to have a big deal, $4 trillion, or whether we're going to have a smaller deal of $2 trillion, but the real issue is whether or not we're going to have a fair deal, a deficit-reduction package which represents the interests of working people and the vast majority of our people or whether we're going to have a deficit reductio-reduction packh ends up reflec

mr. sanders, do you have a question? >> i don't know what you would like to say. >> i'm not aware of that particular phrase. >> it was then the turn of rebecca brooks. >> i have never paid a police myself and knowingly sanctioned a police officer. i was referring if you saw at the time of the home of first committee recently and you would have various from fleed street discussing that in the past they have been made and i was referring to wide-held belief and not practice. in fact, in my experience of dealing with the police, the newspapers come free of charge. >> the scandal came with an incredible cost to news international. a year ago the name murdoch put fear into the hearts of many british politicians. today it was clear the politicians have no fear. cnn, westminster >> rupert murdoch sits at the head of a vast media empire. tom, what do we know about the news corp.rations's hierarchy? pay pay a lot of them are shaking. let's look at the kingdom. the chairman and the ceo, look at the people underneath them. that's m

mr. sanders: i would vitiate the quorum call. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. sanders: mr. president, we are at a pivotal moment in american history, and i think many americans are confused and perplexed and angry and frustrated as to where we are today and how we got to where we are and what the consequences of decisions made in the past or being made right now will mean to their families. let me just take a minute to try to give you my view as to how we ghogot to where we are and whatr options are. as you have just stated, mr. president, and senator harkin before you, anyone who talks blindly about default in saying it is not a big deal for this country clearly does not understand what he or she is talking about. this is the greatest nation in the history of the world. this is a nation whose faith and credit has been the gold standard of countries throughout the world. this is a nation since george washington which has paid out every nickel that it has borrowed, which is in fact why it is the great nation that it is and why we have the strongest economy in the

mr. sanders: i would move that the quorum call be vitiated. the presiding officer: without objection. the senator is recognized. mr. sarnz: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, we are clearly at a momentous moment in american history. the american people are engaged. we're getting tens of thousands of people visiting our web site sanders.senate.gov every day, people want to know what's going on. and as the longest serving independent in american history in congress, let me give you my view of where we are right now. first, i do want to say that i get a little bit tired of hearing some of our pundits and some of the politicians around here blithely talking about trillions of dollars in cuts. and i see some of these guys making huge salaries on tv saying, "why don't they just come to an agreement? $2 trillion in cuts, $3 trillion in cuts?" well, that may be okay if you're making a whole lot of money on television, doing a television show, but clearly those people have not been talking to real americans. so let me just go over what the media and many of us in congress have not been ta

mr. sanders: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, let me begin by referring to the front page of today's "washington post," the headline: "obama social security on table. cuts offered in debt talks." mr. president, i hope very much that that headline is wrong, because in fact social security, which is perhaps the most successful federal program in the history of our country, has not contributed one penny to our deficit or our national debt. so the idea of lumping social security and cuts in social security into a discussion about our deficit and our national debt is absolutely wrong, unfair to the tens of millions of seniors and people with disabilities who benefit from that program. as you know, mr. president, and as the american people know, social security is independently funded through the payroll tax. every worker, every employer contributes into that fund. and social security today has a $2.6 trillion surplus that is projected in fact to grow to over $4 trillion by the year 2023. we, of course, need a vigorous debat

mr. adrian sanders. >> there's a real issue of delay of inquiry for the public have little confidence inhe metropolitan police where investigations concerning news international are concerned. can i remind him of the question i asked on the 27th of april. will he have a full judicial inquiry that looks particularly at the link between news international and the metropolitan police? >> clearly, this is a very important issue and my right honorable friend the home secretary has discussed it with the commissioner this morning. and they want to continue with the investigation that is underway but let me try and reassure the house and the honorable gentleman about this point because i think even before you get to the point about independent and public inquiries, what the public need to know is that the police are going to go about their job properly in terms of their investigation and so they do need to know this is an investigation completely separate from the previous investigation and as it stands today, it is one of the largest police investigations going on anywhere in our country. >> te

ago, a man by the name of jim sanders said he found an 8.2 pound gold nugget on his land and took it to auction and sold almost 500 grand. the sale caught the interest of a mrwho said he found one similar almost 25 years ago and he compared photographs and found they were almost an exact match and contacted the man for sanders and after investigation, it was agreed the nugget actually came from australia. the buyer of the nugget was reimbursed and it sold for a smaller amount. no charges will be filed against sanders. >>> a former schoolteacher will have to pay a large fund for the destruction of valuable artifacts. a civil jury has ordered margaret and her family to pay a san jose man $750,000. papers written by physicist albert einstein were destroyed by a wildfire in 2007. she was found responsible for starting that fire when she was illegally burning material. more than 47,000 acres were burned and four homes destroyed. >>> it turns out fireworks may be to blame for this house fire near burlingame this afternoon. we showed you this video first during nbc bay area news at 5:00. the home is near the canyon park and an unincorporated part of san mateo coun

came to washington and served with your brother, sander levin, and you said, i've reminded several times, yes, he's my brother but also my best friend. mr. president, i appreciate who you are and all you have done for our country. i ask unanimous consent that when the senate completes its business, it adjourn until 12:00 p.m. on sunday, july 31. the morning hour be deemed expired, the time for the two leaders be reserved for their use later in the day. following any leader remarks, the senate resume consideration on the motion to concur in the house message to accompany s. 627, the legislative vehicle for the debt limit increase, with the time until 1:00 p.m. equally divided and controlled between the two leaders or their designees. the presiding officer: is there objection? hearing none, it is so ordered. mr. reid: the roll call vote on the motion to accompany message s. 627 with the reid amendment will occur at approximately 1:00 p.m. tomorrow. i would note, mr. president, that if cloture is not invoked, the debate will continue on the reid amendment. if there is no further business to come before the senate, i ask that it adjourn und

durbin, murray inouye, coons whitehouse boxer casey sanders lautenberg brown of ohio, reed of rhode island, feinstein merkley cardin, levin, schumer. mr. reid: mr. president i now move to proceed to calendar number 91, h.r. 2055. the presiding officer: the clerk will report the motion to proceed. the clerk: motion to proceed to calendar number 91, h.r. 2055 an act making appropriations for military construction, the department of veterans affairs and so forth and for other purposes. mr. reid: i have a cloture motion at the desk, mr. president. the presiding officer: the clerk will report the cloture motion. the clerk: cloture motion. we, the under undersigned senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate, hereby move to bring to a close the debate on the motion to proceed to calendar number 91, h.r. 2055 an act making appropriations for military construction the department of veterans affairs and related agencies for the fiscal year ending september 30, 2012, and for other purposes. signed by 18 senators as follows. mr. reid: mr. president, i would ask unanimous consent that the reading of

franken, rockefeller, reed of rhode island, whitehouse, brown of ohio, sanders, kerry, merkley, stabenow, inouye, leahy and cardin. mr. reid: i ask unanimous consent the rule 22 be waived. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. reid: i withdraw my motion to proceed to s. 123. the presiding officer: the motion is withdrawn. mr. reid: i move to proceed to s.j. res. 20. the presiding officer: the motion is before the senate. mr. reid: i ask consent that the time until 5:00 p.m. be equally divided between the two leaders or their designees, that any time spent in quorum call be equally divided, and there is already an order in effect that republicans will be limited to 10 minutes each. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. a senator: mr. president. rhett the -- the senator from oregon. mr. wyden: i ask unanimous consent to speak as if in morning business. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection, so ordered. mr. wyden: mr. president, international trade is one of the best ways to create good-paying jobs for our people. as long as our workers and our companies are tre

mr. boehner says that by the end of this weekend we'll find out whether or not they think there can ever be any kind of compromise. senator sandersh for your time today. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> the royal newlyweds head to america. in just a couple hours they'll be here. the destination? l.a. >>> coming up next, we'll check in with fmax foster. he's already there along with everybody else hoping for a glimpse of glamour. >>> but first, sanjay gupta with "human factor". >> he thought he was going to develop the next heart rate medicine. but in 2002 when he was offered his dream job, there was a catch. he was in the army reserves and he signed up with a unit that he knew was headed to battle. so army major kit parker told harvard -- >> hold the job, i got to go fight. i took off for a year to go fight in afghanistan. >> he spent much of 2002 and 2003 near canned -- kandahar hunting for the taliban. but then he went back to afghanistan. >> i spent a lot of time with route clearance units looking for i.u.d.s. my vehicle never got hit. i was very, very lucky. when you run up there and pull open the door and see your injured

sanders, thank you. cheney mason is casey anthony's defense attorney, joining us with an exclusive interview. mr.ng. >> good morning, ann. >> what can you tell us about where casey anthony is? >> well, not a whole lot more than jose is, other than she is safe, and we are confident about that. and very comfortable with it. >> can you confirm she boarded a plane? >> i will not confirm she boarded a plane or flew on her own. she's gone, she's safe and elaborate plans had to be made to keep the people away from her. >> elaborate plans. what kind of life will she have there? >> well, i'm sure that you know as well as anybody else, her life is going to be very difficult for a very long time. as long as there are so many people of a lynch mob mentality and those willing to deny the fact that a jury found her not guilty, she is going to have issues. even without that, she's got issues of dealing with the loss of her child, which she has not gotten over, and probably never will. and the fact that she spent three years locked up in a cage. this is very psychologically expensive for a human being, and it wi

context for pro i deferred to judge sanders and because his experience is current but i do have agreed to reservations that i do not have for the appellate court. >> mr jarrett you have some experience and and this kind of thing and what safeguards should be imposed if you televise something? >> when they began by talking about concerns i have substantial concerns in the context of a criminal trials. concerns about the truth finding function and concerns about security. they are different and related by have concerns about the effect of cameras and the court room could have on of the performance behavior of trial lawyers or the performance of witnesses who are not happy particularly in a criminal case where they testify about behavior were they are ashamed of and concerns about security and the testimony of undercover police officers and the world those with strong feelings and access to guns come i worry about having the judges be publicly known that and the faces are very visible. >> i take those issues seriously but there is another side which relates to public knowledge and intelligence. and 1993 there was a bombing of the world trade center whic

mr. president. and this legislation we'll be offering today which has the support of senator rockefeller, democrat from west virginia, senator collins, a republican from maine, senator sanders, a democrat from vermont have joined me as cosponsors. it honors our country by ensuring american flags flown over government buildings are actually american flags. according to u.s. census bureau, the value of imported american flags in the united states last year was $3.2 million with $2.8 million coming from china. i -- i just -- you know, when i think about -- when i think about all the production in china, i -- i often think about young workers -- and when i say young workers, i mean young workers in china -- that make things that people in the united states buy. and i just think, i got to think chinese workers, if they think about this stuff while they're doing it -- maybe they do, maybe they don't -- they must be a bit amused that they're making american flags in china, selling them to us. they must think, what kind of country is this that doesn't make its own flags? i just -- it's t just occurred to me that, mr. president, that's -- that would be amusing if it weren't -- if it

mr. sanders: i ask that the quorum call be vitiated. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. sanders: mr. president, if there was ever a time in the modern history of america that the american people become engaged in what's going on here in washington, now is that time. decisions are being made as we speak which will impact not only our generation but the lives of our children and our grandchildren for decades to come, and i fear very much that the decisions being contemplated are not good decisions, are not fair decisions. right now, there is a lot of discussion about two things. number one, the importance of the united states not defaulting for the first time in our history on our debts, and i think there is increased understanding that that would be a disaster for the american economy, that would be a disaster for the world's economy, and we should not do that. but secondly, there is increased discussion now on long-term deficit reduction, how we address the crisis which we face today of a record-breaking deficit, $1.4 trillion and a a $14 trillion-plus national debt, a de