mr. sandusky is at home under house arrest, awaiting the trial. >> and the conspiracy of silence you suggestlated penn state is in the middle of the valley, in the middle of the state, in the middle of nowhere, and there was this culture that kept everything inside that just could not put its hands around something of this magnitude happening at penn state. >> because joe paterno was god and joe paterno had created great fame for penn state and his football team? >> absolutely. everything that penn state has is at the base, joe paterno brought it there. he helped develop the entire program and he basically ran the institution and had pretty much say over everything including when he decided he might leave and who was doing be hired after him. >> that's why it's so hard, bill and bob, that joe pateryn know, also known as joe pa, didn't know, as much as he says he didn't know -- i had a nephew that went to penn state. i said, cameron, he had to know. he said, no, aunt gayle. he didn't know. he didn't know. he knew when one of his plaerers got a ticket out of state and what the light bill is. i