mr. sandusky was jailed for child abuse. the ncaa find penn state $60 million.t told them that they could go longer play in bowl games for a number of years. a reduced the number of football scholarships they were about to give them and they wiped out all of coach paterno's victories over the years. wasn't this a very harsh and unfair treatment by the ncaa? thank you. >> guest: harsh yes. unfair? that's a debatable point. it something that will be litigated in a case in the pennsylvania state courts that have expanded over, because initially the issue is a question of whether or not the money, i find it was lived against the university would have to be spent within the state of pennsylvania. that case expanded in a way that it sort of becomes a question about whether them about the ncaa's ability to go out some of these things. that's going to be coming up i believe in february. so it's a topic of ongoing litigation house of representatives we're talking about college athletics programs topic that came to a recentrecent big 10 series where we edited the presiden

mr. sandusky who has a lower level assistant coach at penn state helped penn state football team to unfair advantage on the field: he could no longer play and wiped out the victories over the years. wasn't this a very harsh and unfair. >> and it's something that will be litigated in a case in the pennsylvania state courts that got expanded over -- because harsh and initially the issue was whether or not the money that was find and levied against the university will have to be spent against the state of pennsylvania. it's becoming a question about the ncaa's ability to mete out certain of these penalties and they're being placed in a tough spot in a state court and that's going to be coming up in february. it's a topic of on going litigation. >> we're talking about college athletic programs. we interviewed the presidents of big time colleges. if you want to see that series still available on the c-span website. watch those for yourself. let's here from leo in lafayette, louisiana. good morning. >> 17 to 19 all americans. this particular university gets 13 or 14. and no one determines what i

mr. sandusky was jailed for child abuse. the ncaa fined penn state $60 million. it told them they could no longer play in bowl games for a number of years. they reduced the number of football scholarships they were allowed to give, and they wiped out all of coach paterno's victories over the years. wasn't this a very harsh and unfair treatment by the ncaa? thank you. guest: harsh, yes. unfair? that's a debatable point and something that will be litigated in a case in the pennsylvania state courts that got expanded, because initially the issue was a question of whether or not the money that was fined -- the fine that was levied against the university would have to be spent within the state of pennsylvania and in that case expanded in a way that it's sort of becoming a question about whether -- about the ncaa's ability to meet out certain of these kinds of penalties and the ncaa is being placed in a potentially tough spot in a state court and that's going to be coming up, i believe, in february. so it's a topic of ongoing litigation. host: we're talking about colle

>> dawn and jeff, 35 year old matt sandusky had been assumed to be firmly on the side of his adopted father when the form mrpenn state assistant football coach's sex abuse trial began in july 2012. then matt dropped a bomb. >> everybody hear me. >> matt sandusky told an enthralled audience of child add 53 indicates that years of physical abuse by his biological father and grandfather taught him a hard lesson at a young age. >> you don cry. you don't complain. you just accept whatever is being done to you. >> reporter: which is why says matt he waited 16 years to blow the the whistle on his adopted father jerry whom he claims sexually abused him as an it-year-old and for nine years thereafter. matt says it was testimony from sandusky victim number four at the criminal trial of the former penn state assistant football coach that flipped a switch. >> that courage was something i couldn't have imagined at that time but it was something that inspired and empowered me to come forward ultimately and to tell my truth. report roar his story was matt's story. >> while it is a sexual act, it is rarely about the sex. i