mr. santana for coming forward with the video. we just saw mr. santana talk about how afraid he was to even be in possession of this video. were his fears justified? >> i think his fears are reasonable. what he witnessed is unfathomable to the minds and imaginations for many, if not most of the people living in the state of south carolina and in our country. to witness an officer gun down mr. scott in cold blood in the fashion and with the heartless -- the heartless nature that he did would lead i believe anyone to suspect that there could be retaliation if you were to step forward and say that, yes, i caught it on tape and yes, you were wrong. so i understand how he feels and i do not blame him. >> jonathan, it would be nice to think confidently that we live in a country where if someone like this walks into a police station that says i have a video of one of your officers that just shot and killed someone, it would be nice to think there would be no possibility of that video disappearing after you handed it over to whatever officer took it there

mr. santana talk about why he released that video. he said he was walking to work talking to someone on his cell phone when he saw what happened. >> the police he was down. >> reporter: here is what he said he saw before he started recording. >> reporter: had control of scott. scott was trying just to get away from the taser. you can hear the sound of the taser. >> he had been tased at that point. >> reporter: his video led to a murder charge against michael slager. police can't explain what he dropped or picked up by his body or why police officers performed first aid and cpr when the video doesn't show that. >> there are questions that i have in my mind that i can't answer right now. >> reporter: 100 people protested last night. >> that is not an isolated incident. >> young black men unarmed are being hunted down like deer. >> reporter: that's exactly how walter scott's mother felt when she saw this. >> he's my child. i saw him running like you would kill an animal. i couldn't watch it anymore. >> reporter: but there is going to be

mr. santana's video, that's what's important. we are going to analyze this overanalyze it everybody is going to talk about it. who knows why he ran, maybe he had something in the car, i don't know. i don't know what happened. but from every law enforcement person that i am hearing from from tom fuentes, i'm sure tom will agree with this what is important here is what happened in the videotape in the moments that led to mr. scott's death, in those very moments. >> fair point. >> so this is all very interesting and to find out exactly as to mindset but the important part is what we saw on videotape. >> let me let joey jackson weigh n go ahead. >> i absolutely agree with that. for the following reason. obviously we want to know what happened from start to finish. so you want to assess the state of mind initially. but then when you get to the actual incident to which don lemon is referring, which is absolutely right you are looking at three things. you are looking at number one was there an imminent fear the officer had at the time b

mr. santana says. >> i even thought about erasing the video. >> why? >> i don't know. i felt that my life -- with this information might be like danger. and i tried to -- to -- i thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community and living someplace else. >> leaving town? >> yes. >> because you were that scared? >> yes. i knew -- i saw the video, i knew that a cop didn't do the right thing. like i say, i feel kind of scared about that. >> but you decided instead of deleting the video, you decided to do what? >> i decided -- i look at the police report. i went home after finish work. i went home. i was -- people went to the barbershop, you know, talking about what happened. and next to my -- to my house, because it's right there. i saw the police report. i read it. it wasn't like that. >> the video of the shooting is more than likely going to be a very critical piece of evidence in officer michael slager's murder trial, if it goes to trial. but the taser he fired at walter scott will also be a very important piece of this puzzle. and this could be th

mr. santana's video reveals, which is that this gentleman was murdered, shot in the back as he was tryinghere. >> when we watch walter scott in the santa a video as he is being shot and killed watching this man lose his life on tv and we go back to rodney king first time we saw that altercation between police and civilian. what do you make of that arch we are now in? >> this is the arch i am most concerned about, arch from rodney king to walter scott video, how many of these videos have we seen how many times have we seen them. the reality is that i believe the american public will become desensitized to the videos and won't be able to continue the pressure on law enforcement to get this right. the media is in a tricky place, we have to present the news. the question of how often we show it is key. to the viewers out there, how many times do you have to watch the tape to understand the tragedy. >> it is essential to the cases, this sort of video coming out. also having access not only what is horrible to see with walter scott is the flip side, craig melvin was able to get in there with th

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mr. santana we have that cell phone video, but there is other video the public has a right to see. we mentioned the dash cam video, right? the public also has a right to know if other officers at the scene tried to cover up a crime allegedly carried out by one of their own. with me to talk about discrepancies and things unsaid cnn legal analyst mel robbins and gloria brown marshall. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. thank you for being here. let's start with the car, this mercedes. now there was another man in mr. scott's car. why haven't we heard about him? >> you know i don't know. we don't know if he's witnessed anything. we don't know if the fbi is talking to him. i'm sure what i can tell you though carol, is that we will be hearing from him as the investigation continues in this case carol, as we gather more video from the police dash cam, if there are other witnesses. we're going to see more and more as the days come carol. >> well let's talk about the dash cam video now, gloria, because i would -- i would think that that would be

mr. santana say that i was so afraid that i was going to erase it and move out of town david.ause that is serious stuff. >> yes, and there is something of a sense in that community that goes beyond a single incident and individual. and so what i am saying is that one of the things that was positive that came out of ferguson was the interviews with the citizens in my community about the nature of the commune community relations, and all i am saying, and i have said it many times in my show and many cnn shows, and wait for the narrative to not run with the evidence until we have firm evidence but this is a situation that is deplorable. >> and david, there is a second video from the officer's dash cam that has not been released yet, but the investigators must have look ded at that, and it must not bode well for him, because they fired him today. >> absolutely and one of the thing things that i would say is that he is no longer an officer, and he a former officer, and if there is evidence that the individual who was an officer and removed the taser and planted it on the body and t

mr. santana who was filmed this did not trust his initial instincts to erase it he will be a part of what brings slayinger to justice. >> if you have body cameras in fercson, if we actually had videotape of what happened in ferguson this whole investigation which took moments and the riots and so on and so forth and angst and a lot of -- on pot sides that would have been resolved a lot more quickly. a lot of money -- >> saved money. >> two really interesting examples. here, in this case, it exonerated a cop pause you found that there was a scuffle and that the hands up don't shoot thing didn't happen however in this case you got a pad cop. so it's -- the great thing about cameras, it's unbiased. it has no preconceived notions about race or whatever. >> put it this way i would guess and make a guess here that law inenforcement would be, at this rate, the way things are going, the way they get accused of bias all over the place, probably welcome body cameras. >> yeah look, most cops are good people. most cops are, the vast majority of cops are not racist not out to get anybody, you for the

mr. santana. >> let's start with the incident. march mario gibbons is the man's name. he held a news conference a couple hours ago here and recounted a night back in 2013 when officer slager showed up and according to mr. gibbons pulled him from his house without asking his name without giving a great deal of information about why he was there and used his taser on him. there was a neighbor who corroborates some of this. a complaint was filed. gibbons files a complaint against the officer. law enforcement investigated it and decided that at that point, charges were not warranted. so at this point, you have a lot of folks who are starting to dig through the history of officer slager. so going back to the gentleman who's by the way being hailed as a hero in this community, feidin santana, the gentleman who shot that video, as you indicated, abby, this is the route he took to work every day. he's a local barber from the dominican republic. he said he saw something and heard some things that didn't sit well with him, so he did what a lot of people do these days. he whipped

mr. santana, who we heard from there will join us in our 7:00 hour. other thing that struck me from santana's description, it looked like walter scott was trying to run away from the taser. you can see by the way he ran, that maybe he wasn't fleeing, he was trying to get those things out of his body. you know what i mean? >> oh! oh my god. >> it's awful. >> the more you see this video, i pump the brakes on showing the video. it's depressing. >> yesterday, the second time the video came up i had to overt my eyes. i couldn't watch it. it was so heinous. >> my editor said something in a meeting that i thought was very smart. he said in a situation like this, in the absence of a video, the tie goes to the cop. and the importance of this video is that it breaks the tie in favor of walter scott. >> breaks a lot of other things too. >> i don't know if mr. santana is going to be on set or via satellite, if he's on set, i can't wait to thank him. he's incredibly courageous. >> let's bring in mike mukasey. very nice to have you on here. your thoughts on what's

mr. scott is off the ground. witnesses see and perceive things at certain times. at the time santana'sthing, he sees everything. at the time that miss nichols looks, it could be that he's up that is walter scott, from the ground. so it's not necessarily an inconsistency. that's something prosecutors will be working with as the defense will be. >> i'm sure they will be. there will be a defense, he's got a defense attorney already. john gaskin according to the atlantic i've got some statistics here there were more than 22,000 traffic stops in north charleston south carolina in 2014, more than 16,700 involved african-americans. that's about 76% of the traffic stops in the city that's 47% black. more than 10,000 of the traffic stops involved black men. does that give credence in your opinion to this charge that there is racial bias that african-americans are unfairly targeted? >> absolutely. as marc morial eloquently put it yesterday, we do need to take a look into the patterns and practices of the north charleston police department. as we see across the country in black and brown communit

mr. scott. >> you could actually hear the taser? >> yes, yes, i heard the taser. i could hear the sound. >> santana also told anderson that he did not see mr. scott grab for that taser. i want to bring back in our law enforcement experts to break down the dashcam video and the new information that it brings to this story. joining me is former new york police officer peter gleason who is now an attorney and law enforcement expert dennis root, who has trained officers on how to properly use deadly force. gentlemen, you're both perfect for this issue that's deploying today. i want to show that video again right at the moment where the dashcam is recording, the audio is out of view, but you can hear three distinct calls, what seems to be for a taser. have a listen. >> taser, taser, taser. >> i'm not sure if you either could make out -- i think we were sort of putting those two pieces of sound -- it's a very long encounter. obviously takes several minutes. could either of you make out that there was the word seemingly "taser, taser, taser" called out in that quick of a sequence? i'll begin with you, den

mr. scott didn't deserve this." >>reporter:early this morning santana posted a message on his facebook tribute page. saying he quote "never imagined that this will turn with so much love. >>catherine heenan:regulators have hit p-g and-e with a record penalty for its role in the san bruno pipeline explosion. >>catherine heenan:the september 20-10 explosion killed 8 people and destroyed dozens of homes. >>catherine heenan:now p-g and-e has been fined 1-point-6 billion dollars for unsafe operation of its gas transmission system. >>catherine heenan:one victim of the explosion lost her husband, her son and her mother-in-law. >>catherine heenan:she says the penalty has brought little closure. >>pam moore >>:i don't have confidence in pg&e. i don't have confidence in the cpuc. i mean they didn't have all the answers today; they don't. and they've been acting very inappropriately in the last five years, almost five years. it's disgusting the way they've been acting. with indifference; which disturbs me. >>catherine heenan:p-g-and-e is reviewing the ruling.but does not plan to appeal at this time. >>catherin

mr. scott on the ground with five police bullet wounds in his back and head. exactly one week after officer michael slager fired those shots, eight in all at scott. the video caught by feidin santana who happened to be nearby. mr. slager is in jail on murder charges but the local jury may take up the case next month just the latest in a chain of events many simply don't believe would have happened had this video not existed. that said the video doesn't answer all questions including why he ran and who the passenger was. also another angle to the shooting scene. aftermath caught on the north charleston squad car. a brief glimpse, we've slowed it down. appears to show the police on the right standing over something. we don't know exactly what. martin savidge with more from north charleston on today's developments. you've been investigating the car with the passenger with walter scott. what have you learned? >> reporter: this mystery passenger is to key to the investigation because he's seated right beside walter scott before the man takes off and runs so he would know possibly what scott was thinking what he was fearful of. the authorities and i'm talking about the state authorities

mr. scott, and like i say, he had control of the situation. >> santana said he turned his video over to the victim's family because he wanted to find out the truth about exactly what happened. >>> happening today, parishioners of a fishtown church that the archdiocese says is in danger of collapsing are fighting to save their historic building. nbc 10's matt delucia is live outside the church this morning. matt, why do some of the people there want to save this church? >> reporter: well, tracy, they say it's historic. it's been here for more than 100 years. and some of these folks say they do not want it torn down. yesterday some of the members of save the church met with the city council president, darrell clark. he's also taken a role in trying to stop the church from being demolished. the archdiocese wants to demolish it because of structural and safety issues. now, the church is closed. it merged with another parish in 2013, but some members of the church community have spent the past several months raising money to the sum of over $500,000 for repairs. >> hopefully they'll take his spi

mr. scott didn't deserve this." >>reporter:early this mornig santana posted a message on his facebook tribute page.t this will turn with so much love. >>catherine heenan:new york real estate heir robert durst appeared in a new orleans court today on gun charges. >>catherine heenan:he pleaded not guilty. >>catherine heenan:durst was arrested march 14th.and has been in custody in louisiana since. >>catherine heenan:the real estate heir is more famously acing murder charges in california. >>catherine heenan:the los angeles d-a's office is waiting for the case in new orleans to play out before proceeding with >>catherine heenan:the california charges. >>catherine heenan:they say 39- year-old bobbi finley and her 27-year-old husband zach house. have been writing fraudulent checks in colorado.oklahoma and oregon. >>catherine heenan:finley got her nickname in 2010 after reportedly going from one military base to >>catherine heenan: another.marrying over a dozen service members.and draining money from their bank accounts. >>catherine heenan:the mother of finley's new husband is worried about her son. >>cat

mr. scott, who runs away. feidin santana a bystander, just happened to be in the area, recorded what happened next. [ gun fooirp ] . >> the officer then fires his gun eight times hitting walter scott five times. approximately 9:38 a.m. officer slager then radios dispatch. >> shots fired. subject is down. he's got my taser. >> officer slager then walks towards a motionless walter scott, tells scott to put his hands behind his back. he handcuffs the man, jogs back and appears to pick up something. another officer now on the scene, as you can see there, officer slager drops something next to walter scott. two minutes 2 minutes 43 seconds, reaches down to check walter scott's pulse. now to my exclusive interview with feidin santana whose cell phone video dramatically changed the direction of this investigation. >> walk me through. what did you see and what did you do? >> what i saw as you can see in the video the shooting and after the victim was dead. before the video when i was walking to my job, i was walking to my job and i

mr. scott. i saw him running. i didn't know what was going on. maybe five seconds later i saw the cop after him. >> reporter: santana said he started recording just after officer slager fired his taser. >> trying to get away from the taser. >> reporter: he contradicts the claim scott tried to grab the stun gun. >> did you ever see mr. scott take the taser away from the police officer? ever have control of the taser? >> no, no that never happened. >> reporter: in the video, after scott goes down slager appears to drop an object near his body. >> on the video you see officer slager at one point walk back and pick up something off the ground. did you notice that? >> yes, i noticed. >> what was it? >> i can't say it was a taser, but -- i don't know. >> reporter: following the shooting police wrote in an incident report they continued to perform first aid and cpr until e.m.s. arrived. santana says from what he saw, that's just not true. >> did you see anyone perform cpr? >> i didn't see any cpr. >> breathe into his mouth? >> no. >> compress his chest? >> no. >> try to revive him? >> nothing like that. >> reporter: santana says he waited a few minutes

santana hadn't pulled out his cell phone and captured the video. >> he had control of the taser. if he would have pushed more he would have had control, mr. scott. >> reporter: the video also confirms suspicions by state agents aet the scene. >> when you have a serious or fatal shooting incident tampering with evidence moving it from place a to place b, that's a serious convenient because it raises questions, legitimate questions about the integrity of the state. >> reporter: a statement of state investigators noticed inconsistencies with what appeared to be gunshot wounds in mr. scott's back. she can't watch the video and grieves for everyone involved. >> it changes everyone's lives our lives, the family's lives, the scott family's life. it's not an easy thing for anybody. >> reporter: michael slager remains in jail without bond. omar villafranca, cbs news north charleston south carolina. >>> a government security guard is dead after being shot near his post outside washington. the shooting took place at the census bureau headquarters in maryland. the suspect then led police on a car chase before being captured. susan mcagain is in is at

mr. scott didn't deserve this. and there were other ways that can be used to get him arrested. and that wasn't the proper way to do that. >> my conversation with feidin santana earlier this evening. you'll hear much more from him tomorrow morning on "today." the shooting here in north charleston follows a number of deadly incidents between minorities and police officers over just the past year. that, of course includes ferguson, missouri, a city that bears scars after months of fallout from a police shooting on its own streets. it's where we find our ron allen tonight. >> reporter: after months of turmoil following the death of michael brown at the hands of a police officer, ferguson made history tripling the number of african-american city counselors poised to transform a city and police department. now with numerous fatal encounters between police and minority suspects still happening, some on video, the question is has anything really changed across america? >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> certainly there's greater awareness. now there's a conversation in lots of communities about police reform. but not enough has changed. >> reporter: nationally

santana, who filmed the killing spoke to nbc news. >> when i saw the scene, i was walking to my job and i saw mr. scott. i saw police after him, chasing him. i was on a phone call. i decided to go over there and see what was going on. what's was there a struggle? >> there was. they were down on the floor. they were down on the floor before i started recording. i remember the police had control of the situation. he had control of scott. scott was just trying to get away from the taser. a taser, you know, you can hear the sound of the taser. amy: that was feidin santana who filmed the police killing of walter scott in north charleston, south carolina, and the apparent police planting of a taser gun once he was lying on the ground handcuffed, face down, which is not clear if he is dead or dying. the scott's family attorney described santana as a hero. chris stewart said -- "we have to really recognize the strength and fortitude and fearlessness that it took to come forward when you know you just filmed a police officer murder somebody." santana told in msnbc he he was so afraid, he considered delivery the

mr. scott didn't deserve it this. and there were other ways that can be used to get him arrested and that wasn't the proper way to do that. >> feiden santana, our first eyewitness account what happened immediately before what we see on that video. a closer look at the video itself. it's important to analyze it and the evidence it contains. for the first time, the picture of the struggle between walter and slager. >> when michael slager called dispatch about the shooting listen to what he told them. >> shots fired. told to get down. he grabbed my taser. >> but did walter scott really grab the taser? frank piaza is an expert. >> the officer seems to lunge and have something in his hand. is he putting himself up in arms to shield himself? i don't know maybe there's a tasing happening at that point. >> you also see something seems to fall or come off the officer. so we zoomed in for a better look and slowed the video as the object tumbled off the dirt back. >> and if i take it back to that same spot in the video, and we watch it frame by frame, you can see something. >> right there. >> and it also grabs a reflection. you can see. >> like a sil

mr. scott didn't deserve this. there were other ways that can be used to get him arrested and that wasn't the proper way to do that. >> there he is the man who took the video. faden santanaa little while ago. tom, you're reaction. >> i think he's quite articulate explaining what happened and what he saw. i commend him for having taken those void video and having an officer taken off the street. >> he decided to go public. your reaction. >> he's a hero. as everyone has been saying without that videotape we would not be here now. it's important, he says it looks to him that the police officer had control of the situation. that the man ran at that point because he was trying to get away from the taser which was the electric shock and he was shot in the back. very important information to glean from that interview. >> don will have a lot more 10:00 p.m. eastern on his program. thanks very much. i want to get to another breaking story we're following. the united states warning the escalating warfare in yemen is strengthening al qaeda's most dangerous affiliate. the group has seized new territory. we're joined now live by the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, co