mr. schafer. what is the significance of him in the overarching ability to prove a case for rico. >> so he is alleged in the indictment to really be sort of the mastermind or at least the overseer of the georgia effort to submit this false slate of electors. and what his attorneys arguing here really is two things. first of all, he's arguing there's nothing criminal about this effort to put forward this slate of as the defendants called, an alternate electors as the prosecutors call them, fake electors. and that's an argument that's been made before, has been rejected before, and i think we'll probably be rejected here at a minimum. i think the judge is likely to say, well, that's for the jury. and then second argument and ceremony was just talking about this is what we call advice of counsel. now, we will hear this throughout the trump cases where a defendant can say i did that because an attorney of mine told me it was okay. now, it's not quite that easy. first of all, the advice itself can't be

mr. schafer and his co-conspirator to the governor's office, trying to get the government to do that. that is provided by statute. the governor has to ratify replacement and statutorily he has the authority to act on that matter. >> all right. from the top i think there was a lot of time spent on definition of public officer and some of the allegations raised in mr. still's briefing. i think the emotions that lie should be coming up soon. if you want to make any initial reactions. >> well prepared, judge. first, i've made this statement in the past and i will make it again. we have to address the elephant in the room. that mr. shafer is demanding to be recognized as a federal officer. what are we? are we saying this position of a -- elector is or isn't? i think they need to make up their mind. i actually have quite a bit of ground to cover. i will take it as it was raised by mr. gillen. as we started out, we do not believe the definitions section -- >> i think he conceded that. >> if it did apply, i think it actually supports us. if you look at paragraph b. 21.53.55 b it says public o

mr. schafer knew that there was an issue here. he lied to investigators. he did a number of things from which a jury could infer that he knew that what he was doing was unlawful, that he knew he was skirting law and violating it. so even though this is an argument, they're making on the motions, this is a issue that will ultimately be decided by a georgia jury and the jury in washington, dc >> and we will see how that all plays out. nick ackerman, thanks so much. always great to have you on thank you >> a new report finds white supremacy is propaganda was distributed in record numbers last year. what's behind this? alarming rise that's next >> if you work in spaceflight, this is the worst possible thing that could ever happen. >> my dad died doing what he is loved >> space shuttle columbia have final flight from your sunday, april 7 at nine on cnn at morgan stanley >> old-school hard work meets bold new thinking to help you see untapped possibilities and relentlessly worked with you to make them real >> this making you uncomfortable. >> good. >> when you'v

mr. schafer. >> greg gilland on behalf of david shaver and he waves his enmcafee: on behalf of mr. floyd? do we have anyone joining us on zoom on behalf of mr. floyd? all right. seeing as counsel -- this one has been noticed anyone on behalf of ms. latham? thank you. informed by counsel collectively for the defendants that they are requesting a total of an hour and a half or argument to be divided amongst themselves as they have already agreed to. and so to effectuate that i have, i will have the time cute up and we will start the clock running and you all can see fit to divide that as you would like. i obviously have allowed the same amount of time for the state as well. before we get into that, i believe there may have been a few things just to clean up this part of the record specifically since we last convened, counsel on behalf of mr. roman had submitted defense exhibit 39. and if there are any objections that want to be placed on the record on behalf of the state, we can do that now. but at a minimum, i think the intention was that i would be admitting that collectively as an